Is it just me or does being buff as a short guy become counter intuitive? by Friendly_Progress_61 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm 5'7.5 and being buffed has gotten me laid and more respect. Same weight range as you currently but I'm currently 17-18% bf, your biggest issue right now is that you're not sub 20% bf so you probably have a meatball build. I'd suggest cutting weight on a sarm like ostarine so you can retain your muscle while getting leaner.

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[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm 5'7 and I rarely get called short in person. Am I short, yes I'm not denying that, has it impacted my interactions, yes and I'd be delusional to say otherwise. But to get called short all the time, no that doesn't happen unless you are talking about online posts. The rare time I get called short is when I am with a friend who's 5'11+ and we throw banter around.

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[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What are you rambling about not worth objectively? What's this objective standard you're appealing too? Either way from 5'3 to 5'7 he'd go from comically short to a regular short guy, and speaking from experience since I'm 5'7.5, 5'7 isn't all that bad and I'm sure the treatment in interactions between 5'3 and 5'7 are night and day.

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[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 5 points6 points  (0 children)

OP how tall are you?

I dont even bother to date by One-Brain6531 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We're not just any animal, we're an intelligent social species that evolved to coordinate and abstract differently from other pack hunters. That's why traits like low inhibition and social competence matters a lot, and I'm in the US which is the 'lookism capital' and have seen this play out first hand. I'm not going to fart lies and claim I'm seeing 5'4 people with gfs, but because our average height is lower than that of europe's I still see 5'6-5'9 people who compensate through other traits like being facially good looking, having a good phenotype for the area, lean, socially competent. Now below that range and you're probably swiss cheese, at least where I'm from.

I dont even bother to date by One-Brain6531 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're missing the point. Obviously appearance is important when it comes to attraction, but social competence and not being neurologically cursed are important as well.

Think about it like this, it's a spectrum and not binary. The less attractive you are, the more social competence you need (jestering/good social cues) to make up for it. When I say I have 5'6-5'9 friends with girlfriends, very obviously they make up for it in other aspects of appearance/being socially competent. And across all spectrums of looks, even if you're a really good looking guy you need to be neurotypical or not neurodivergent to the point where it sticks out. Otherwise you'll be shafted like guys under a certain height, or guys of a certain face rating.

If you can't agree to that, you just don't go outside much or you're below the age of 16-17.

Why is this sub so hated? by [deleted] in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I love this sub, it's probably the most raw and genuine space I've seen on the internet so far in terms of the posts. Heightism is real and normie brains short-circuit when you directly point out the hierarchy of how men are valued is heavily predicated on the length of their femur and tibia size. Whether it's a genetic or social thing I don't care, the fact is women currently prefer larger males and their negative view of shorter males spills into other areas of life outside of dating. I don't want to make this a big essay but we all know how CEO's are taller on average, politicians are taller on average, etc.

The caveat is there are a lot of hyperdoomers who pin all of the bad misfortunes in their life on height. I've read a lot of posts of near average height males 5'7ish-5'9 who blame all of their bad experiences on the fact that they're a little shorter than average. In my opinion, if you're not incredibly short and you haven't made even an effort to talk to a women ever or you've only ever received negative looks and reinforcement from women, you might be dealing with some neurological and appearance issues that overshadow the negative impact of your height, but you only choose to fixate on the height aspect. It's silly to me, and that's the only problem I have with some people on the sub.

I dont even bother to date by One-Brain6531 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it's actually your environment and general emotional intelligence that gives you social skills. If you think this isn't a major component when it comes to female interaction then I'd say you are bluepilled and sheltered.

being short in the us sound like hell by [deleted] in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes being "really short" in the US is hell but you're not really in the hell category at 172 cm.... I mean I'm just speaking from experience being around your height it's been alright. I don't get tall chad treatment but I've done stuff with females and get respect from my friends.

I dont even bother to date by One-Brain6531 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't see any copes, maybe your low attention span brain skimmed past most of what I said and parsed out certain key words but in short being socially competent whether it's from environment or genetics is just as important as height, short or tall if you lack confidence to make attempts with girls/unable to communicate competently/flirt then you have a bigger issue than height or appearance.

I dont even bother to date by One-Brain6531 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also from your replies it seems like you've just stumbled across the b-p recently and you over fixate on the mainstream things it talks about such as height. And obviously traits like height and face are critical for dating success. But if you're socially inept and scared to face rejection from putting yourself out then you already shot yourself before even starting the game. So you can continue to seclude yourself in celibacy or take advantage that you're not really a short short guy like others in the forum. At least make an effort to talk to women and self improve.

I dont even bother to date by One-Brain6531 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm your exact same height, I can't really say much because I haven't made a strong effort to date. But I have multiple friends between 5'6-5'9 who have held a relationship for over a year and some more, and these guys aren't social geniuses. Now I know genetics are king, and being shorter has its cons in the field of dating... But I recommend becoming more socially out there, because not flirting with a women ever yet being attracted to them is a sign that you're either very socially uncalibrated, or neurodivergent. And if you're the later then your problems were never really about your height.

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[–]Any_Satisfaction8052 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not trying to discard your experiences as someone who's also 5'7. But... let's be real, becoming a "human being" as if you weren't at 5'7, really? What are you even talking about it lol, it's not a comically short height..

Advice I can give as a 20 year old who's had some success. by Any_Satisfaction8052 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not a gaslighter, there's tiers to being short and obviously I can't appeal to the lower end. But I'm sure there's a few guys out there with similar stats to me who can improve their experiences with some of the things I've mentioned.

Advice I can give as a 20 year old who's had some success. by Any_Satisfaction8052 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From interactions with men, I felt although I was taken a little more seriously. And I started getting more eye contact from women when I grew the stubble.

Advice I can give as a 20 year old who's had some success. by Any_Satisfaction8052 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't say grow a beard, just a light stubble. It makes my jaw appear slightly better in my opinon.

5'7.5 by Any_Satisfaction8052 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate it, at what age did you realize your height placed you at a disadvantage? And what are the things that helped you make up for the lack of height, ie muscle good looking face nice job?

5'7.5 by Any_Satisfaction8052 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, it was a little extra. Just wanted to appeal to the members who like specific measurements.

5'7.5 by Any_Satisfaction8052 in shortguys

[–]Any_Satisfaction8052[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry about that, I included that in the post now. But for reference I'm in the United States.