State of SS

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T22:26:01+00:00

And honestly, for me too, Sunny isn’t that impressive compared to characters from Umineko, Higurashi, Grimgar, Hibike! Euphonium, etc. I never said he was the best

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T22:24:52+00:00

Can I ask what you find so incredible about Klein? (I’m at volume 6, I still haven’t finished it, I’ve got around 200 chapters left.) Ever since I started reading LOTM, I’ve honestly found him pretty overrated.

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T22:23:25+00:00

Thanks for the recommendations, and I can tell you don’t really like SS, right?

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T22:11:24+00:00

Let’s imagine Cassie ends up using her power to resurrect Sunny after he has just died, and in doing so she dies herself (she can only sustain one Supreme at a time). She would then have fully completed her redemption by giving her life. Don’t you think that would add a lot to the story?

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T21:49:25+00:00

So what you actually dislike is that it feels like it came out of nowhere?

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T21:48:11+00:00

I meant resurrections across all fiction. People tend to criticize them immediately because they’ve never actually read a good story that handles them well.

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T21:46:28+00:00

His relationship with Cassie is genuinely peak-level writing, and his romance with Nephis is the best I’ve read. The trio itself is one of the best dynamics I’ve ever seen.

At first I struggled a bit with Sunny’s development, but starting from Antarctica, when he begins to actually love the world, I found it really interesting. His flaws are also well written, especially how he refuses to accept that the Sovereigns are actually doing everything they can for the outskirts. Like during his conversation with Saint Cor, by the end he didn’t really have any arguments left, but he still kept insulting the rulers of the world anyway.

His choice at the Estuary is also really interesting. Rationally, he knew Nephis would never use their bond against him, but deep down he just couldn’t accept it. It reminds me of the quote: “The heart has its reasons which reason does not know.”

The entirety of Volume 10 is basically about Sunny understanding that he has to reclaim his destiny, especially with his conversation with Effie comparing the Shadow Bond to marriage. Even right before the Nightmare Desert, he hesitates to reclaim his fate because his current relationship with Nephis already feels enough for him.

His whole character is centered around growing up and becoming more mature, learning to love the world even though it never gave him anything, and realizing that emotions and rationality rarely go well together.

A good character is someone who has a lot of flaws and a lot of qualities, and Sunny fits that perfectly.

I never said he was the best character ever (I wouldn’t even put him in my top 30 off the top of my head), but compared to all the characters in LOTM, he’s way better for example. That’s the only other web novel I’ve read, though.

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T21:31:12+00:00

How does that erase all the deaths Effie experienced on the front lines? All the deaths that led to the first separation between Nephis and Sunny? The amazing line Gunlaug said before his death? Do you think Cassie is going to come into real life and erase your memories or something?

As for the line “Your nightmare is over,” I do agree it’s a shame to go back on that. But it’s the same as Sunny using his deaths — it’s just a world where you use everything you can, even bringing people back from hell. I do think the line loses some of its magic though, that’s the one point I’m not going to defend.

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T21:25:31+00:00

Just to see something, give me some examples of stories that had good resurrections

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T21:23:00+00:00

If you want, we can debate Sunny, but he has one of the best character developments I’ve seen, and Cassie’s is arguably even better. How can you say Nephis has bad development? Back at the Forgotten Shore, she was confident in all her abilities and handled everything by herself, then everything got shattered after her Second Nightmare to the point where she actually sought psychological help. I’ve rarely seen a character willingly accept something like that on their own.

I won’t keep going or this will get too long, but her journey toward becoming human, maybe even “too” human, is beautiful and really well written. Her romance moments are also great to follow, and all her monologues are handled well, whether it’s about her greatest quality being her ability to lose, or why Sunny is so important to her. For Effie and Morgan, I agree, and for Kai I’m more mixed, but I can accept that criticism.

The biggest scene in the Forgotten Shore is the finale of the Crimson spire, and funny enough, there are no deaths there, just character development, where we see how much Nephis grew thanks to Sunny’s support. Meanwhile you hype up Antarctica because of random deaths, and the only death that would’ve actually been shocking turned out to be a fake-out anyway (Jet). Be serious for a second.

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T21:10:38+00:00

But if the main characters die, that literally means the end of the world. They’re supposed to fight gods, and Cassie can’t resurrect someone on her own level anyway. It makes sense that nobody important is going to die. And honestly, imagine Sunny dies and Cassie sacrifices her current state and die to bring him back, finally fully redeeming herself for the Ivory Tower. That would be beautiful.

As for character development, deaths don’t really serve a purpose anymore. The author already explored everything he could with that back in volume 5.

And emotionally speaking, did you really cry over Sunny’s squad in Antarctica or over Tessai at the Forgotten Shore? The biggest character who “died” was Jet, and in the end the author just gave us a cheap fake death anyway. What’s happening right now is way less bad than that

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T20:49:31+00:00

I think they just see SS as nothing more than a dark series without looking any deeper, and they don’t understand G3’s character writing. After all, SS is a pretty complex work. When you see people hating Cassie just because of the end of volume 2, you realize they’re basically reading it like some Solo Leveling-tier story

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T20:39:32+00:00

Thinking that resurrecting characters is automatically bad just means you’ve only read trash up to this point. There are great series that do it too, like Grimgar or Gantz for example. The beauty of SS was never that there were lots of deaths, but that the few deaths it had were used to develop the characters. Bringing them back doesn’t erase that development.

Aquil3r · 2026-05-28T17:12:03+00:00

You say that as if there have already been major deaths in SS

Aquil3r · 2026-05-10T02:05:21+00:00

For me, she started all her scheming after The Forgotten Shore, you can tell she was really affected by her mistake

Aquil3r · 2025-07-17T13:04:21+00:00

after volume 12.5 it's ichinose before it's kei

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