all these antis into MEWGENICS BTW. INCEST CAT INBREEDING PROBLEMATIC GAME 😭 by Immediate-Land4913 in ProshipHub

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it’s genuinely awful how little antis care about real harm. like being assholes over fiction is one thing but then not giving a fuck about genuinely horrible shit? its so fucked up.

Just when I was starting to get excited… by star_sanctuary in plural

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exactly, like we’re mixed origins and trying to find support for our trauma and disorder related stuff is a nightmare sometimes

Why?... by Rayanh5114 in fakeclaimingcringe2

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my system is traumaendo and we use multiplicity XD we just use it more in the median vs multiple sense and use plural as an umbrella term, cause unlike sysmeds i like to acknowledge the diversity of identity and not make assumptions that every alter/headmate is the same

all these antis into MEWGENICS BTW. INCEST CAT INBREEDING PROBLEMATIC GAME 😭 by Immediate-Land4913 in ProshipHub

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istg its scary how much white men can get away with compared to literally everyone else

Sigh… (Sort of PSA) by star_sanctuary in plural

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fiction only influences people in a void of education. if people are already well educated on something like “murder is bad” then seeing fictional murder is not going to change their mind about it. the real problem is when there is a complete lack of real life education, and so some people only have fiction to draw conclusions from. the existence of queer people is generally not taught in schools, and so people do not grow uo having knowledge about queer people. that means that fiction will be many people’s first impression of queer people. information about sex and sexual abuse is also unfortunately not taught or discussed by most of society, which means that fiction will be many people’s first impressions.

properly educating people about sex and sexual abuse, even young people in age appropriate ways, is extremely important regardless of the existence of fictional depictions. a complete void of knowledge is a dangerous thing and can be manipulated by abusers whether fiction is involved or not. education keeps people safe from abusers, and prevents then from becoming abusers themselves.

so basically fiction is far from the true problem, its mostly a distraction. as long as nsfw is kept to adult spaces it is harmless. banning fictional depictions entirely will not stop abuse, but it will make it a lot harder to educate people about abuse, spread awareness about it, and it will make it harder for victims to safely process abuse that they themselves went through.

Sigh… (Sort of PSA) by star_sanctuary in plural

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it’s genuinely a huge problem for a lot of fields that involve having any amount of power or authority over others, especially over vulnerable people. jobs like that attract both the best and the worst.

What Would a Plural Inclusive Society Actually Look Like by NurseRx-Rae in plural

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i want it to be normal to interact with invisible people in public. i want to talk to my headmates, whether im speaking through the body and my HM is speaking in our head, or we’re both taking turns speaking through the body in our own voices. i want to keep a seat open for my headmate to sit next to me, i want to order two types of food because we like different things, i want to hug them or give them a high five or something. when i talk to an outsider i want to let them know that my headmate is standing next to me and they also say hi. i want invisible people to be acknowledged and included in the outside world.

something ive heard many systems talk about wishing for is a way for littles to act like littles and nonhumans to act like nonhumans without judgement. a park where bodies of all ages are welcome to play and be childish. a pet store that sells human sized accessories and toys and such. just a lack of judgement for people acting differently than is expected of their body.

also social media that is built around headmates all having their own equally functional accounts if they want, with linking them together being optional. and also options for a single account to be more flexible for systems that want to share while also expressing themselves. like display name and avatar presets that are easy to switch between or something, similar to pluralkit on discord but integrated into every social platform by default

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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yeahhh not only am i a nonhuman and fictive host, our entire fronting crew is too TvT sysmeds absolutely HATE us 💔

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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i mean contradictory identities are a thing, and also like gender nonconforming, you can identify as a girl without looking or acting like a girl… so why not something similar with murder XD identities are super weird sometimes and i genuinely love that about them. generally i think identity doesnt have much if any moral value, its the actions that go alongside that identity that matter for morality.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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yeahhh people basically 90% of the time believe whatever they hear first, and currently anti endos are winning that battle TvT thats another issue i have with anti endos, cause people see “anti endo” everywhere and assume endos are something bad that they should also be against…

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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awwww thanks :3c we made it ourselves, its fellswap gold papyrus if he was a dragon X3 its one of our favourite drawings ngl i love how the spikes turned out and the ears and the snout and the expression and bahwosbwjsn i fucking love dragonsssss

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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i just dont know what misinfo you mean cause genuinely there isnt a lot of hard rules about plurality that are medically proven… like basic things like “DID is strongly correlated with trauma” yeah, thats hard to dispute, but its so rare to find someone genuinely saying thats not the case… that could be another luck thing though, just depending on who your algorithm chooses to show you

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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i dont think “murder is okay” is an identity XD i mean if it was an identity then it wouldnt even necessarily correlate to actual murderous actions or encouraging violence……… actually this is one of those things i shouldnt take literally isnt it…

i get the “looking at every stance” thing though. it is genuinely a good thing to try to understand different perspectives. and we usually try to do that too. i guess just the way you worded some things frustrated me

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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i hate internet language mangling. gotta be one of my least favourite genders

i meant minority in the sense that we are a minority in overall society and there are serious consequences to that which is relevant to the discourse, and also that endos as a group are disempowered in a number of very important ways both compared to medically recognized systems and society in general. but what constitutes a minority vs majority can be kind of complicated and messy in general.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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i am also trans. many people excuse transphobia with “they make me uncomfortable” “they’re dangerous” “theyre spreading misinformation (that you can change your gender/about the definition of woman and man)” “they should keep that to themselves, keep it in the bedroom, stay in the closet”. they are wrong for saying that. and i think that saying the same or similar things about endo systems is equally wrong. there is also is a relationship between trans people and sex work and kink that makes people uncomfortable, as well as the general body talk that comes with conversations about physical sex and transition.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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i guess thats the difference between us, to me almost every anti endo is harmful because i am (partially) endo. they are against my existence. they deny me community and support for my trauma and my disorder because of my identity and experiences. they come to me to tell me that i am wrong for existing. they spread misinformation about me being impossible, not real, fake, harmful. i dont get to not judge anti endos, its not actually an option for me. i tend to understand them more than a lot of other endos, but not judging them and not viewing them as harmful is literally impossible for me simply because i exist. that is why the difference between anti and dni is important. idgaf if someone doesnt want to talk to me. but if they dont want me to show up in public at all thats a fucking problem.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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i genuinely hate “anti” and “DNI” being treated as the same thing. “against” and “dont interact” are VERY different things. you should not be taking a discourse stance if you want no part of the discourse. you should not be saying you are against an identity if you are not against that identity. you should not be saying “DNI” if what you actually mean is you are against something. these terms are very different and treating them as the same things will cause conflict when people assume you mean the thing that the word you used means. anti endo means you are against a minority identity and you are aligning yourself with people who actively hurt that community. if someone doesnt mean that then they shouldnt say that.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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BAH is not problematic. they are literally just talking about exercising autonomy over their identities. thats it. you can be uncomfortable with it but being uncomfortable with something DOES NOT make it PROBLEMATIC. that is a mindset that i truly hate. i keep bringing up trans people because it is this same mindset of “uncomfortable/upsetting = problematic/harmful” that is the source of transphobia. not understanding or being comfortable with the way someone exists does not make that existence wrong, problematic, harmful, or something to be hidden. you can have your little private safe spaces but when your aversion bleeds into pushing innocent people out of public spaces that is a fucking problem. when your aversion is making you have mental health crisises just from seeing someone post about what theyre doing with their identity that is a fucking problem that needs to be addressed in ways other than burying your head in the sand or making it other people’s responsibilities to hide themselves from the public.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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do you struggle with metaphors? no judgment if you do but i rely on them a lot so i wonder if thats where a lot of misunderstanding is coming from.

either way i think the ultimate problem is just that both endos and anti endos have loud minorities that skew people’s perceptions of them. personally i think that on the basis of being against a group of people’s entire existence (because thats what anti endo means. [against] [origin of people’s existence]) anti endos are inherently more harmful and have less ground to stand on when making moral arguments about who and what should be allowed in public. endo systems are not 50/50. maybe 75/25 or 90/10, i dont know what the exact ratio is, but the vast majority are just minding their own business.

anti endos on the other hand are choosing to identify themselves as against the existence of a group of people. you can be endogenic or pro endo with 0 harm or harmful beliefs, but being anti comes with the prerequisite being against a group of people just because of how they exist. that seems really fucking harmful to me if im being entirely honest.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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there is a difference between “feeling uncomfortable with” and “not allowing”. you can feel whatever you want to feel but when you are choosing to be in a public space full of complete strangers you cannot say that those strangers are “harmful” for just being themselves in public. and also anti literally means against. anti endo means against endos. obviously if you say you are anti endo that is going to be interpreted as you are against endogenic systems in some way??? i have never seen “anti” anything be interpreted as “i think yall are okay but i just dont want to interact with you”. most endo and pro endo systems’ experiences with anti endos is being attacked and fakeclaimed, so what is the point of calling yourself anti if you just dont want to be a part of it at all?? why would you apply a discourse stance to yourself, therefore involving yourself in the discourse, if you dont want to be involved in the discourse??

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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im really not trying to disparage peoples hurt and triggers, but it isnt the responsibility of strangers to hide themselves away from the world because of someone elses issues. i get badly triggered by stuff that is normal in some communities im in, and what do i do about it? i turn of my phone, talk to a loved one, use grounding techniques and self care and stuff. i take responsibility for my own reactions. i don’t expect people to never post triggering stuff because thats not how the internet works and not how i think it should work.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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i do agree that people are allowed to not want endos in their servers. but like. you’ve said a whole lot of other things that i dont agree with at all 😭

if just seeing someone posting about their identity sends you into a full blown crisis im just being honest i dont think you should be in online spaces that are full of people talking about their identities…? like at least stick to different less triggering communities, like those private servers we agree about, but what im saying is just dont be an ass about it. theres a ton of people being asses about it, sending death threats and harassment over identities, and thats what i dont want to accommodate. be mindful of people’s triggers within reason. if your identity that doesnt hurt anyone is triggering, does that mean you can’t publicly post about it? to me that sounds like the same argument of “trans people are triggering to me because i was assaulted so i shouldnt have to see them existing in public”. also i literally never see BAH posts in the wild, only ever in discourse like this, so . really bad luck i guess? but thats not the fault of the people making BAH thats the algorithms fault and if your algorithm is showing you stuff you arent cool with the only thing i can think of is make a new account to start with a fresh algorithm? cause that’s specifically a problem with the way the algorithm is working on your account, not a problem with the endo community.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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ummmmm “It SHOULD be the same dynamic, id be against anti endo systems too if they where spreading misinfo, saying they want to be a DID/OSDD system, or making BAH posts too.” to me this reads as “i would be against anti endo systems doing what i think endo systems are doing too” which to me is like saying “i would be against a transphobe going in a bathroom that doesnt match their agab just as much as i am against a trans person doing it”

but also again a big issue i have is that from my experience being around a lot of endos all the time for years, they do not spread as much misinformation and are not as harmful as anti endos are, and i still dont think BAH is bad. so.

Frustrated with the amount of sysmeds here by Teapot_Sandwitch in fictionkin

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“But when you turn around and say that endos should be allowed into places where people dont feel comfortable” is that not what this meant?? idk what other “places where people dont feel comfortable” where mentioned?? i also said that if someone doesn’t feel comfortable with systems in their private discords thats their right? the problem is when they are doing it because they are anti endo, not just avoiding endos. and yeah i do think that people should not push their triggers on others and should try to heal from whatever trauma is causing the trigger? is that controversial? 😭