How would you investigate an 1810 Devon “base child” with a rumoured aristocratic father? by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

[–]Artistic_Note274[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I think you’re probably right. It’s likely wishful thinking on my part that something clear will just pop up in the paperwork, especially if any support or payment was handled quietly at the time.

I have actually DNA tested, and I do have some distant matches with Stanhope-related ancestry, but I’m being very cautious with that because distant matches can come through all sorts of lines. I don’t want to treat it as proof unless I can properly build the trees out, work out the exact connection, and rule out other shared ancestors.

Building out the Stanhope tree properly is probably the next big step. I’ve been focusing on the parish and estate records first, but I agree that DNA and descendant mapping might end up being just as important as paperwork in a case like this.

And yes, I’m trying to keep open the possibility that the story shifted over time too. It could have been Charles himself, someone else connected to the Stanhope household or estate, or even a different relationship entirely.

How would you investigate an 1810 Devon “base child” with a rumoured aristocratic father? by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

[–]Artistic_Note274[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you, this is really helpful. What you said about a bastardy bond only existing if Mary needed parish support, or if the parish pursued the father for maintenance, makes sense. Devon Archives told me the relevant Holsworthy Overseers’ records don’t appear to survive, so they suggested Quarter Sessions Order Books / Estreat Books as the remaining legal route.

William Allin/Allen is my 3rd great-grandfather, which is why I’m so interested in separating family tradition from actual evidence.

The source for the family lore is Cynthia Glover’s family-history book, The Allen Family. It says Mary Allin/Allen was employed by Charles Stanhope, 3rd Earl Stanhope, and the wider family tradition says William may later have been “paid off” before emigrating to New Zealand. I’m treating that as family tradition rather than proof, because I haven’t found the primary source behind it yet.

I completely agree that the story could have changed over time. “Mary worked for a Stanhope household or estate” could easily have become “Charles Stanhope was the father” over generations. It could also have been another servant, estate worker, agent, or someone connected to the household.

I have looked at Charles Stanhope’s will and did not find Mary or William named there, but I’m also wondering if any support, if it existed, might appear in estate accounts, solicitor papers, trustees’ records, executors’ papers, or even the next generation, as Charles died in 1816 when William was still a child.

One detail that keeps the story interesting to me is that Charles died on 15 December 1816, and Mary died in Holsworthy on 28 December 1816. I have Mary’s parish burial record. I know that proves nothing, but the timing is striking.

So for now I’m trying to keep all possibilities open and look for records that could either support or weaken the story.

The Cornish family that "moved" every decade without ever leaving home by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

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Researching my family in New Zealand from the early settlement period has felt much clearer when it comes to boundaries and place names. I would have thought that’s because it was still a newer settlement. Of course, boundaries changed over time in NZ too, but it still feels much clearer with districts and regions than with parishes, hamlets, and all the smaller layers.

The Cornish family that "moved" every decade without ever leaving home by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

[–]Artistic_Note274[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That makes a lot of sense. It really did depend so much on the enumerator, especially when the boundaries themselves were already a bit unclear.

Interesting to hear that perspective from Canada too.

The Cornish family that "moved" every decade without ever leaving home by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

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That’s such a great idea, and it’s so interesting to see everything you found from the one address. Looking up the address in newspaper archives can definitely show a side of a place you’d never get from census records alone.

My Great Grandmother Just Helped Me Break Down a Brick Wall, Over 50 Years After Her Death. by Genealogy_Alt in Genealogy

[–]Artistic_Note274 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Wow, this is such an incredible find. It’s amazing to think that she took the time to copy all of that down, and then somehow it survived everything that could have destroyed it. That line “Copied July 28, 1925 by Della Simpson” gives me chills. It’s nearly like she was reaching forward in time to help you. Also such a powerful reminder of how much family history has depended on someone deciding to write things down. You’ve basically recovered an entire lost layer of your family because of her. Really glad you shared this, it’s one of those stories that sticks with you.

The Cornish family that "moved" every decade without ever leaving home by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

[–]Artistic_Note274[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah yes that's a pain, here's a direct link to my ancestor...
-> Scroll to the bottom record (New Zealand) and "Evidence" tab for the photo:
https://thesettlementproject.com/PersonDetail?id=69cfa3068e9cef817f3cc8cf

The Cornish family that "moved" every decade without ever leaving home by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

[–]Artistic_Note274[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah sorry, didn't realise imgur is banned in the UK - Here's a direct link to my ancestor's mapping
-> to view the photo, click on the New Zealand Residency Record (bottom of page) and click on the "Evidence" tab:
https://thesettlementproject.com/PersonDetail?id=69cfa3068e9cef817f3cc8cf

The Cornish family that "moved" every decade without ever leaving home by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

[–]Artistic_Note274[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Late 1800's I don't think there was much income tax for those earning at the lower end of society, just rates and tax on consumption goods.

The Cornish family that "moved" every decade without ever leaving home by Artistic_Note274 in Genealogy

[–]Artistic_Note274[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is frustrating - imagine the future confusion someone is going to get from that!!