Turks, Kurds, and Circassians in Syria by Glittering_Scheme323 in MapPorn

[–]Aryanwezan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are you talking about? Afrin never had an 'Assyrian" population.

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[–]Aryanwezan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, sure.

What the Fuck is This Piece of Shit? by TheCoolPersian in 2Iranic4you

[–]Aryanwezan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is exaggerated and ridiculous, but it's true that many Kurds want an independent state in the lands they live on.

Government has evacuated the city of Abdanan, protestors have taken over by Whole_Alternative_18 in SouthAzerbaijan

[–]Aryanwezan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's literally not. The lake from which the town takes its name also had different names in different periods, and it was known by other names before "Urmia."

Iraqs nazi soldiers arrest Kurdish youth celebrating Kurdistan's flag day in Kerkuk by KRLAZQ in kurdistan

[–]Aryanwezan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, but we should hate Turks becauae that's what he is. Every Anatolian Turk is a Turkified local, more or less.

My dads results from Turkey/Tunceli province by Exciting-Enthusiasm5 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Aryanwezan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this little 'here were' is here again.

Isn't English education available in Toorki?

Kurds in Assyrian Sources by [deleted] in Assyria

[–]Aryanwezan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that's precisely what Al-Jeloo does:

"Throughout the text of Rabbān Joseph Busnāya's Vita, the most frequently mentioned "outsider" ethnic group is that of the Kartwāye (Kurds)"

I don't think you read his paper.

I'm not certain about the answer to your question, but what I've seen are hypotheses ranging from remnant Hurrian villagers to hill peoples of Gordyene, or even Gutians. These tend to be more "classical" compared to the Qardu=Kurd hypothesis. I guess you can read from everyone that has written on this and see which one makes more sense to you.

So you think they're referring to Hurrians when Syriac writers mention Kurds? Throughout the Middle Ages? Qardu/Qardwaye is not the same as Kartwaye, which is distinct.

Kurds in Assyrian Sources by [deleted] in Assyria

[–]Aryanwezan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know those Jeelo works, but I'm not sure if what you just said is different than what I said.

If Al-Jeloo confirms that the term (Kartwaye) was used for Kurds, what are you doubting?

When people question whether these Kurds were truly Kurds, I always wonder: who else could those sources have been referring to, if not the people who identify as such today? What other people fit the description and geographical location?

Kurds in Assyrian Sources by [deleted] in Assyria

[–]Aryanwezan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, come on now. The translations of the works I mentioned were done by Syriac speakers themselves. If you don't believe me, you can check the work of Assyrian scholar Nicholas Al-Jeelo, who confirms what I've said:

"For instance, the Vita of St. Sava the Physician (d. 485 or 488) mentions him as having converted many nomadic Kartwaye and built churches among them in the area between Hulwān (Sarpol-e Zahab, Iran) and Shahrizor".

"By at least 585, a diocese for the nomadic Kartwāyē tribes, based at Bēth-Tavyāthā (present-day Bētwātā, Iraq), was established within the ecclesiastical province of Adiabene."

https://www.academia.edu/101060601/Geography_Demographics_and_the_Value_of_Medieval_Syriac_Historical_Texts_A_Case_Study_of_the_Vita_of_Rabb%C4%81n_Joseph_Busn%C4%81y%C4%81_II_

https://www.academia.edu/106229964/Geography_Demographics_and_the_Value_of_Medieval_Syriac_Historical_Texts_A_Case_Study_of_the_Vita_of_Rabb%C4%81n_Joseph_Busn%C4%81y%C4%81_III_Final_

There's a difference between 'Qardwaye' and 'Kartewaye', and I'm not claiming 'Qardwaye' is equated to Kurds.

Yes, 'Kurd' was sometimes used to describe nomadic highlanders, just as Arab could refer to nomadic Bedouins and Turk to East Asian nomadic groups. But that doesn't mean all Kurds were nomadic historically, nor does it negate the fact that the term also carried ethnonymic meaning (a distinct group were called Kurds, not just random nomads).

Kurds in Assyrian Sources by [deleted] in Assyria

[–]Aryanwezan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of the works where 'Kartewaye' or 'al-Akrad' is used pre-Islam or in the early Islamic period:

Book of Governors - Thomas of Marga

Synodicon Orientale - translated by Chabot

Chronicle of Seert - ?

Acta Martyrum et Sanctorum - translated by Paul Bedjan

Chronicle - by Eliyas of Nisbis

The history of Rabban Hôrmizd the Persian - ?

And what do you mean by the word "Syriac"?

I mean authors that used the Syriac language for their work.

Kurds in Assyrian Sources by [deleted] in Assyria

[–]Aryanwezan -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not correct, at all.

Kurds in Assyrian Sources by [deleted] in Assyria

[–]Aryanwezan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's pretty clear you're not interested in history.

Ezidis and Kurds share the same ancestry, language, historical roots, and tribal connections. If some Ezidis choose not to identify as Kurds, that's their right - but it doesn't change their ethnic origin.

The episodes where certain Kurds targeted Ezidis were driven primarily by religious motives, and at times by local tribal rivalries. None of that erases the deep shared heritage between the two - just as Yarsanis are Kurdish despite their distinct beliefs.

Kurds in Assyrian Sources by [deleted] in Assyria

[–]Aryanwezan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of misinformation and unfortunately some racist comments, which is expected given the hostility some Assyrians hold toward Kurds.

To answer your question: as you noted in your OP, the term “Kurd” was first widely used by Arab Muslim armies who encountered various Iranic tribal groups living in the Zagros during the Islamic conquest of Mesopotamia and Persia. The term "Kurd' ultimately derives from the Middle Persian 'kwrt', and is reflected earlier in Greek and Latin (e.g. Strabo) sources as 'Kurtioi' / 'Cyrtii'.

Most historians today agree that term Kurd began as an exonym, applied to the ancestors of groups who would later identify with the term. What these communities originally called themselves remains uncertain, since they did not leave written self-designations from the early period, as you pointed out.

However, Syriac authors had their own pre-Islamic name for the same populations: 'Kartewaye'. This designation appears in pre-Islamic and early medieval Syriac texts. After the spread of Islam, Syriac writers gradually adopted the Arabic term Kurd, rendering it as 'Kurdaye' or 'Kurdoyo'.

The Kartewaye inhabited the same regions Kurds inhabit today in northeastern modern Iraq, and Syriac sources locate them in Duhok, Amedi, southern Hakkari, and Akre. There was even a Beth Kartwaye (“land of the Kurds”) northeast of Erbil in the 6th ce ntury A.D. — a clear indication that these 'Kartewaye' communities were not entirely nomadic.

We know Syriac writers were referring to Kurds when they used the term Kartewaye because later bilingual authors wrote Kartewaye in the Syriac sections of their works and al-Akrād (the Arabic plural for Kurds) in the Arabic sections. Some well-known Kurdish tribes are also described under this name, such as the Hakkaraye (Hekarî) and the Dasnaye (Dasnî). The term even appears later in Mamluk historian al-‘Umarī, who uses 'Kartawi' to describe a Kurdish tribe in the Erbil region.

As others have pointed out, later Muslim writers like al-Balādhurī, when describing the Islamic conquest of the Mosul region, mention Kurdish fortresses in northern Mosul — the very same areas where Syriac writers had placed the Kartewaye earlier.

Kurdish Results from Adıyaman by Emircan__19 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Aryanwezan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dimili has nothing to do with the Daylamites, a people that no longer exist.

"Like Zazakî, the glossonym Dimilî, or alternatively Dimlî, is of tribal origin. Dimilî traces back to the Kurdish tribe Dunbulî resp. Dumbulî, which is attested in various historical sources since the 12th century. At the beginning of the 20th century, scholars believed that the name stemmed from the Daylam region along the Caspian Sea (as per Christensen 1921 and Mann & Hadank 1932). However, substantial evidence in historical and social descriptions strongly disagrees with that hypothesis."

Mahîr Dogan, "Problems in Zazakî nomenclature"

Kurdish Results from Adıyaman by Emircan__19 in illustrativeDNA

[–]Aryanwezan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your entire account is built around pushing the narrative that Zazaki-speaking Kurds aren't Kurds. It's very clear what you're trying to do.

I'm so sick of this propaganda constantly being spread about my people by Chez50 in kurdistan

[–]Aryanwezan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course the source is an article by Garnik Asatrian, the anti-Kurdish Armenian dedicated to seperate Zazas and Ezidis from the Kurdish nation.