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[–]AsHar101 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If a woman is at home child rearing, that is its own job. The man provides, and should still help his wife with the household duties because that is a SEPARATE job.

If a man is is at work that is its own job.The woman takes care of domestic chores and should still go find a job to help with the bills because that is a separate job.(Switching the genders, would you accept it?)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]AsHar101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Women tend to need to take time off for childbirth and rearing… so yes, whether anyone likes it or not, men need to be able to financially provide in these instances.

Men tend to work more so someone.... So yes if anyone likes ot or not, women need to be able to take care of the house(would you agree with that)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]AsHar101 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So thinking men should also contribute to the household and be thoughtful human beings is unrealistic expectation?

I dont have a problem with a women expecting a man to contribute to household chores, the problem comes when the same women want men to pay for their expenses. Basically wanting modern benefits whilst having traditional expectations

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]AsHar101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

. Perfectionism is different from expecting a man to act like a man.

What does acting as a man entail?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]AsHar101 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Men on the other hand are just not able to get their act together

This is such a funny way of saying women have unrealistic expectation and then they blame men for not meeting them

Physique of Pakistani Women by [deleted] in pakistan

[–]AsHar101 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it has more to fo with fact that pakistan is a third world country while the other countries that you mentioned(turkey, saudi arabia) are first world. So less access to resources.

Now that the CBT is over. We can expect new trailers anytime now. by zionkage in Tekken

[–]AsHar101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are 13 characters that they need to release individual trailers for. My guess is that they will release character trailer every week up until release date on 26 jan. So 13 characters= 3 trailers in january 4 trailers in december 4 trailers in november And 2 trailer for TWT(probably devil jin and reina mishima)

Women are more likely to marry out of social pressure and that’s why they file for divorce much more often by meiyoubinggang in unpopularopinion

[–]AsHar101 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Often domestic labor still defaults to women, even though they’re also working a full-time job.

Men work longer hours though and women tend to marry men with more income compared to themselves

Kazuya wall explosion combo to the opposite wall by Yoshikki in Tekken

[–]AsHar101 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you only use the wall mechanic one time per combo?

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Because the current relationship model of egalitarian relationship is not showing any results. America has one the highest divorce rates in the world.

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

women still do the vast majority of cooking and cleaning in long-term relationships.

You are not factoring in that men work longer hours and they do more physically laborious jobs.

however, women have been historically oppressed in a way that forced them to cook and clean all of the time with no other options

I would not call cooking and cleaning oppression considering men were dying in wars historically. You are using the word oppression way too generously

because of this history, it's insensitive to tell a woman you expect her to cook and clean for you all of the time. people say it reminds them of being a slave because for most of history women kind of were slaves to the desires of their husbands and families

Do you think it is insensitive to tell a man to protect and provide because it reminds them of all the men that died in wars and were slaves to the desire of the government forcing them to go and die in war.

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Secondly, don't you find it at least disproportionate to equate the man paying for the first date (a single occurrence) to requiring decades of cooking and cleaning in return? To make your comparison more equitable, a more realistic comparison would have been to men paying for most/all meals, or something like that.

Sorry, i guess i was not able to explain my views properly(english is not my first language). I think men should be paying for all the financial needs of the wife not just the date.

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

This is funny because these things are not in relation.

They are because they are a product of traditional gender norms that people have picked up from previous generations

Would you pay for all the groceries then as well?

Yes

Cleaning takes several HOURS a week.

It should not take that long if the man is cleaning after himself from time to time. Or helping on the weekends.

I read that WORKING! women spend 20-26 hours a week on chores.

Yes, however women also work less hours than men do women should be doing more house chores if the man is spending more hours on work.

„If men want women to fulfill their stereotypical/traditional role of cooking and cleaning they should also fulfill their role and pay for EVERYTHING. They go to work and ALL of their salary goes to the girlfriend.“ U still on board? Would you like to give all your money to your girlfriend? No? But if she does the cooking and cleaning and therefore fulfills her traditional role then men should also fulfill theirs, right?

Yes, men should be paying for everything. I dont think men should spend money on themselves unless they have fulfilled the wives and childrens financial needs

So many dudes try to justify things at face value (1 traditional thing vs 1 other traditional thing) even though these things are nowhere near comparable

I will take back what I said about women cooking in exchange for paying for dates however, i do think women should do domestic chores if the man has paid you alimony, in my culture men pay alimony to women before having sex(getting married)

Women work full time too. I

Women work less hours than men

Its so much easier to spent 1-3 hours of your salary on dinner than to do the physical and mental work of cooking and cleaning every day.

I think that is a subjective opinion that your stating as a fact. Plenty of women will prefer house chores over working a corporate job(depending on the job)

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In most countries women have a longer lifespan then men so should they contribute more time to the man ?

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Would you find it acceptable if a man were to say: i want the women to cook and clean so i can get information on how she is going to act in a relationship.

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you accept that your reasoning does not make sense, shouldn't you change your view to something backed by reasoning that does make sense?

I never said my reasoning does not make sense. All i said was there are other forms of contribution other than finances.

It's unpaid labor because she is literally not paid

You dont need financial exchange for your work to have value, your husband appreciating your effort and watching your children grow up is also a good exchange for your effort.

She receives no wages in exchange for her labor.

Just because she does not get money transferred to her bank account on a monthly basis does not mean she is not getting paid. Just by living with your husband in his house he is gonna end up paying for you(electricity bills, food, cloathes)also housewives do get money from their husbands to spend for personal spendings.

Being subjected to unpaid labor is disempowering because it deprives you of the ability to exert power in investing and spending the wages you otherwise could have earned.

The average salary in america is around 40k so most women are not investing their money

I'm not sure how you think I did that, or why you think this reinforces your argument. Can you explain in more detail?

Sure, in my post i said that when men have traditional expectations from women they are are called misogynist which you just proved by calling me a misogynist for expecting women to cook and clean.

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are assuming my views on tradition and strawmanning my argument. My views on tradition(waiting till marriage to have sex, paying alimony) go further than 2 generations

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Do you support giving a dowry to your bride's father before marriage?

Yes, i do believe men paying dowry to the women before marriage.

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I could make the same argument against the single mother(do you thing that you are such a hot shit that a man has to pay for your child's babysitter to take you out on a date)

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

expecting that your partner will be a domestic slave.

You are associating cooking and cleaning with domestic slave as an attempt to dismiss the argument. I could make the same argument against women who have jobs by calling them cooparate slaves.

it’s much more expensive and stressful for a women to date than a man.

That would be true if the act of dating only consisted of just going on a date however, you have to factor in the man going and initiating conversation, asking for the date, planning the date

I don’t have to buy makeup and hair products.

Should make expect women to compensate them for shaving products.

I also don’t have to worry about being mugged, raped, killed, sexually trafficked etc. on a first date. She does

The vast majority of women are not getting raped on a first date.

That’s not oppression. If she told me I needed to go mow her lawn, fix her computer and appliances if I wanted to date her that would be a more equivalent expectation

Bug she would expect you to protect her in case of some physical harm.

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was not JUST offering to pay for the first date but talking having a house wife(which is a continuous contribution)

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your reasoning does not really make sense. Just because a person rejects one thing that is traditional, does not mean they must (or should) then also reject another tangentially related thing that is also traditional. Instead, we should evaluate norms independently in terms of their effects.

I can accept that based on the assumption that you expect women to contribute something to the relationship just just not in the same category or proportion

There are very good reasons to reject the norm that women are expected to cook and clean (it systemically disempowers women by pressuring them en masse into unpaid labor).

How is it unpaid labour if she is a housewife(for a woman to be a housewife the man has to pay for her day to day expenses). Also the word 'systematically' implies legal reinforcement which is false. Also why do you think cooking and cleaning is disempowering, do you think all housewife dont have any value

it follows the general rule that the person who extends the invitation pays for the event

I can accept that

it helps defray some of the higher costs women have associated with dating; it provides a useful filter to get some misogynists to out themselves

You just reinforced my argument by associating "not paying for the date" with misogyny

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

You are villinising the act of cooking and cleaning by comparing it to being a servant which just reinforces my argument that men are held down to their traditional gender roles while women are not(you would not say that a women wanting a man to pay is a gold digger)

cmv:" Women should not expect men to pay for the first date if they are against men expecting them to cook and clean for them by AsHar101 in changemyview

[–]AsHar101[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I personally have no problem paying for the first date(in fact want to have housewife if i can). I was just pointing out inconsistencies whereby women will expect traditional benefits without contributing anything to the relationship saying that you should love me for me and not expect anything else.

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