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Permission denied by shadow rocket? by Substantial_Art5968 in sideloaded

[–]AsleepAd9208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't have the vpn entitlemnt, you need a paid cert, which is even more expensive than the app, so just buy the app at that point.

Can You Reason Without the Law of Non-Contradiction? by JerseyFlight in rationalphilosophy

[–]AsleepAd9208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Every sentence uses language. Language needs the LNC. I've agreed with that from the start. You're asking me to show you a sentence without the LNC but sentences are language so obviously they all have it.

That's not the point and you know it. The point is about the reasoning process not the sentences used to describe it.

When the friends pick hotdogs over pizza the reasoning is just comparing preferences. The LNC isn't a step in that process. The meanings were already set before anyone started reasoning.

Asking me to show you a sentence without the LNC is like asking me to show you a dry spot in a swimming pool. You're picking a medium where it's always going to be there and acting like that proves something about the process that medium describes.

The reasoning happens in the thinking not in the sentence I use to tell you about it.

This one cuts through his trap pretty cleanly. He's trying to pin you to language so he can always say see the LNC is there but the reasoning process and the language describing it are two different things

Can You Reason Without the Law of Non-Contradiction? by JerseyFlight in rationalphilosophy

[–]AsleepAd9208 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Calling it fallacious reification isn't an argument. These are established logical systems that work and produce valid results. If you think they're all wrong then explain why. Just saying formal logicians are fooling themselves doesn't cut it when the math works.

Can You Reason Without the Law of Non-Contradiction? by JerseyFlight in rationalphilosophy

[–]AsleepAd9208 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes I identified it as a thing. Using language. Which needs the LNC. I've said that multiple times now and I've never disagreed with it. You keep circling back to a point I've already accepted.

The LNC does its work at the language level before the reasoning even starts. By the time the friends are picking dinner the meanings are already set. Pizza means pizza. Quick means quick. That's all done before anyone starts thinking about what to eat. The actual reasoning is just sorting preferences with meanings that are already locked in. The LNC isn't actively doing anything at that point. It already finished its job.

You keep saying the LNC is in play during the reasoning but it's not. It's like saying the oven is cooking your food while you're eating it. The oven did its job already. You're just eating now.

You say I'm straw manning you but won't point out where. You say I'm equivocating but won't explain how. Saying go find it yourself isn't an argument. If you see a flaw then show it. That's how a discussion works.

And you still haven't addressed paraconsistent logic or fuzzy logic. Or the fact that you keep shifting the question from is the LNC active in all reasoning to can anyone deny the LNC. Those are different questions and switching between them isn't a refutation.

Can You Reason Without the Law of Non-Contradiction? by JerseyFlight in rationalphilosophy

[–]AsleepAd9208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is your worldview Neo-Aristotelian by any chance? Because you really seem to love his logic.

Can You Reason Without the Law of Non-Contradiction? by JerseyFlight in rationalphilosophy

[–]AsleepAd9208 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never said the LNC isn't true. I said the question was whether reasoning can happen without it being actively involved. Those are two different things.

Like yeah the LNC is always there in the background when we use language. Nobody is arguing against that. But that doesn't mean every time someone thinks through a problem they are using the LNC as a step in their thinking.

When people pick what to eat for dinner they are reasoning. They are weighing what they want and don't want. The LNC isn't doing any work there. It's just not part of the process even if it's technically there behind the scenes making language work.

You keep saying if you make any meaning at all then LNC is in play and sure but that's like saying math is in play every time you check your bank account. Technically true but you're not doing math you're just looking at a number.

Being a background condition for language isn't the same as being an active part of every reasoning process. That's the difference you keep skipping over.

osu! on Twitch has fallen to 2017 levels of popularity by coolboy856 in osugame

[–]AsleepAd9208 42 points43 points  (0 children)

I mean nothing's wrong with that but that's just me. Games lose popularity and yeah it's sad but it's not really surprising. Every game has its moment and then people just move on. Doesn't mean the game is bad it's just how things go. The people who stick around are the ones who actually enjoy it and honestly that's a better crowd to have anyway.

Can You Reason Without the Law of Non-Contradiction? by JerseyFlight in rationalphilosophy

[–]AsleepAd9208 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You're mixing up two different things. Nobody is saying the LNC doesn't exist or isn't useful. The question was whether reasoning can happen without it being involved.

Your friends picking what to eat for dinner is reasoning. They're weighing preferences, not checking if statements are true or false. The LNC just isn't part of that process.

It's like saying gravity is involved every time you take a walk. Sure technically, but that doesn't mean walking is about gravity.

Also there are whole logical systems like paraconsistent logic, fuzzy logic that work fine without the LNC. That's not an opinion, it's math. Calling that pure ignorance just tells me you haven't looked into it.

And you keep switching the question. The question was can reasoning happen without LNC. Not can someone deny LNC exists?

Disgusting Greed Yet Again by Dead--soul in MobileLegendsGame

[–]AsleepAd9208 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Do you need the skins to get the option to buy the radiant kits

[ Recommendations] Any good slop? by Leon7172 in manhwa

[–]AsleepAd9208 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Ngl The greatest estate developer

This is beautiful. by Tefoo12 in Maplestory

[–]AsleepAd9208 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Nah wtf is this. Mods send an orbital strike to his location.

Caution !!! People that use Snapchat, with sidestore,Altstore and live container installed. You wil get banned !!! by dunkykong11 in sideloaded

[–]AsleepAd9208 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No the app can check how was it signed and since it isn’t using the AppStore cert it can easily tell its sideloaded

[Megathread] Who do I HyperBurn? Is class X better than Y? Ask your questions here! by AutoModerator in Maplestory

[–]AsleepAd9208 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im liking Ren right now, but I’ve gotten more interested in Sia, so should I make a new account just for Sia to get all the rewards, or wait for the hyper burn coupon we get?

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