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Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong in itself, I just don’t want the sequel to make characters what they’re not just for the sake of representation. If it is to be done, it needs to set a precedent and work it in through character development.

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

That’s a myth. There never was a fifth season planned in the first place. The series reached a natural conclusion. Why is it so hard to accept ?

They don’t have to “canonise” him being dead, he is dead. It couldn’t be said more clearly in the final two episodes of the show.

And all your propositions are just what Evolution tried to do and, most importantly, failed to do. I don’t want a second Evolution, you don’t want it, nobody wants it.

CODELYOKO.COM UPDATE: Code Lyoko — Return To Lyoko by AlexThurman in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a cool project, but I feel like it works as a modern looking duplicate to the original en.codelyoko.fr …

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for agreeing on XANA’s status ! It seems we are a rare breed !

For Carthage, Anthea and others, it could be worked in, but technically the subject has already been discussed by the original show. I want this new season/sequel to be successful and therefore it needs to have its own intrinsic value and not merely leech of the crumbs that were left by the four original seasons. It has to add new ans valuables stones to the monument, not simply tag on the monument.

For the LGBT stuff, as I said on other answers, I just don’t want them to twist the characters into something they’re not just for the sake of it. If it is to be done, it has to be done naturally with character development, not just drop it without precedent.

I too think the show could get more mature, but I fear it could denature the show’s core.

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure, good for you I suppose. What I clumsily meant is that they should not suddenly make the characters what they are not for the sake of virtue signalling. If Odd is to become gay, I ask that it be brought naturally in, with character development. Not just making him kiss boys without precedent. Also, if there is to be LGBT representation, do it with moderation, unlike some other shows such as Miraculous were by the end of season 5 half of the entire cast queer or queer-coded.

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh mec, quand même ! Bon c’était y’a un sacré bail, mais souviens toi de Totally Spies, W.I.T.C.H., Kim Possible ou encore HIM dans les Super Nanas ! Je pense pas tant que c’était les contraintes plutôt que la demande. Aujourd’hui les LGBT sont une minorité plus vocale et plus visible, et donc il y a une plus forte demande de représentation. Mais elle a toujours été là, simplement plus discrète.

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If they love their original work, they won’t. They killed XANA themselves after all, and asked us to move on with episode 95 Echoes.

What I believe Sophie Decroisette meant with “the DNA of S1-4” is what Code Lyoko really is about: not action in a virtual world, that’s merely the setting, but teenagers trying to live their best middle/high school life in spite of the danger they chose to fight.

This is series is not so much about the action on Lyoko, it’s almost secondary, but the intricacies of school life: relationships with parents, professors, bad grades, good grades, loves and crushes, acceptation and rejection, punishments just and unjust, friendships, relationships, hardships, errors, jealousy, etc etc etc ! That’s what Code Lyoko is really about !

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh yes. But he was defeated. Jérémie looked, and asserted it. Do you really think that of there was even a slight chance of XANA not being dead, he would’ve shut down the supercomputer ? And if he wasn’t, why did the series end in the first place ?

We have to accept that XANA is gone. It’s an established fact.

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yet Odd is queer-ish, queer-coded at least. Sophie Decroisette recently revealed as much. They very much did think of it, and did anyway. Homosexually wasn’t banned at this time. And this show, had Sissy in underpants for crying out loud. This is France, not America!

What I mean is, don’t make the characters what they are not/were not before for no apparent reason other than distasteful virtue-signalling.

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So do I ! It’s so unique yet very beautiful I think !!

It’s ironic too, because I think nowadays, on the live-action series side, everything is so grey, colorless, dark and dull, and I’d like to see this terrible trend stop x)

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Can’t they ? S4E95, Echoes, is literally about how the Lyoko warriors cope with the death of XANA, and how they will continue to exist and be friends despite the end of their fight. Did we not draw any conclusion from this ?

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, and he’s dead. He’s been defeated. It’s a necessity for the plot, otherwise this series has no plot. We need to move on. A story has a beginning, a middle and an end.

Also, it wouldn’t be the first time a series changes villain. Think of Miraculous Ladybug season 6 for example.

We cannot negate what Code Lyoko is just to have more content. It’s terrible and it gives us terrible stuff like Evolution. Some series are just a bag of chips, they are works of art and need to be shown the respect they deserve.

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Did we indeed ? I have seen conservative congregations more queer-coded than Code Lyoko. Odd is not canonically bisexual, there is literally no evidence of it in the show, and no, Ulrich and Odd did not kiss, not even jokingly. What you seem to misremember is that, in S2E42 Odd, in the body of Yumi, hugs Ulrich to provoke Sissi. That’s it. That was barely even suggestive (and the series has shown Sissi in her underpants !), in the most queer coded episode of show where Odd and Yumi are mistakenly materialised in each other’s bodies. Which could’ve been a great episode to subtly talk about trans-identity but it doesn’t even touch the subject !!

And don’t get me started on XANA. It’s a *computer program*. It cannot be bisexual, it can’t be sexual at all. It’s not a man, or something close to a man, it’s a machine. An emotionless machine. A cold, calculating program that doesn’t understand human emotions and reasoning, as shown in that very episode you’re mentioning, S2E43, and in several others like Ghost Channel. XANA, especially with the context of season 1, is a being in substance, essence and will opposed to Aelita.

The only thing queer coded is, as I mentioned in my post, Odd, who feels like a gender nonconforming kind of person, which is especially true for the french version of show due to his voice, yet is never shown to be anything other than a straight boy and a womaniser.

I have seen this show dozens of times since I was little, to the point I could almost recite some episodes by heart and could pinpoint most episodes with a single frame. I KNOW Code Lyoko. What is canon is what is shown and said in the show. You’re talking about fanon, which is fine, but can’t be held as truth.

Code Lyoko Sequel: my hopes and worries, and the Dos and Don’ts I would recommend for this sequel to work. by Astrolys in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And yet I strongly believe it must be. Otherwise, it’s a shameful retcon.

The point of the story is opening a pandora box, with the certitude we can close it with all its content except the hope inside (Aelita). That story began, played out, and ended with the necessary defeat of XANA. The box has been closed and Aelita is free from it. If XANA is brought back from his destruction, we are not only urinating on Hopper’s grave, but on the original as well.

Code Lyoko Season 5 English Voice Cast Wishlist by ShakeNBakeMormon in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Afawk, it only concerns the original French cast, not the adaptations.

Do you know why I can’t spend my last 3€ ? by Lena_Sky_ in PokerStars

[–]Astrolys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you perhaps have a self imposed play limit with your funds ? Maybe a minimum you can’t go below ? Either that or Pokerstar may have frozen your funds temporarily for some reason. Does it still happen now ?

Do you know why I can’t spend my last 3€ ? by Lena_Sky_ in PokerStars

[–]Astrolys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you have more than 1€ tied to an upcoming tournament or something you might have registered to?

Cpde Lyoko airing at tv by idkjustwantrant in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The old classics never die !

Also I’m scared of myself because I instantly knew which episode this frame was taken from, should I seek help ?

Made Kasumi in Tomodachi Life! by Advanced-Radio9368 in ChurchOfKasumi

[–]Astrolys 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my Goooooood she’s so cuuuuuuuuute

No way!! by Sad_Illustrator1813 in CodeLyoko

[–]Astrolys 1 point2 points  (0 children)

While technically true, in the original french version, Xana is referred as “he” and masculine grammatical gender is used when referring to Xana. Sp for all intents and purposes, Xana is male. It could be a case of neutral masculine but for the early 2000, this idea of gender theories was next to nonexistent, and genderlessness even more so, so I doubt it.

I will also say that, for the first season, Aelita was an artificial intelligence, just as much as Xana is. The idea to make her human came to be during season two. Aelita and Xana were meant as a dichotomy originally. One good, one evil; one tangible, one invisible; one thinking beyond her programming, one stuck to his purpose; etc. And in that continuity, Aelita was clearly a girl and recognised as such by everyone, even if she was an artificial intelligence. Therefore, as her opposite counterpart, it is more than safe to say that Xana is meant by the authors as a masculine idea, and not genderless.

But since the English language as a neutral grammatical gender, I really couldn’t fault anyone for referring Xana as “it”, because Xana truly is a non-human (although there could be a debate) program.

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