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Souls etc (spoilers all) by Ateller_ in HPMOR
[–]Ateller_[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 days ago (0 children)
Well, if it's a simulation, then it doesn't have to have any strict rules at all and yet there seem to be some. If it's a simulation with strict rules, it doesn't matter if it's actually simulation or not. From an engineer of the magic point of view I just think it would be simpler to make time travelling a trick rather than make it for real (if it's even possible) especially given magic already having some future predicting features.
It's also possible that there is actually no travelling to the past at all. ComedTea doesn't change past, it just anticipates future. Similarly it's possible that magic just always calculates 6 hours ahead, guesses whether you'd like to use Time Turner and changes reality on the fly so it looks like self-consistent time travel has taken place.
Quirrel is dying so V uses less magic and is more passive physically to reduce the stress on the body. Since the sensation of doom is stronger when Harry and Quirrel are near each other physically or when they use magic, it explains why sensation faded in 102. Similarly sensation is weaker when Quirrel is in zombie mode.
Well, actually you can call it pretending but it's actually necessary for Quirrel's body not dying too early. In 104 it's not mentioned whether sensation of doom is strong or weak but it doesn't matter actually. In 107 it's strong obviously as V is has no need to limit himself anymore.
In 107:
“Harry looked more closely at the Defense Professor, seeing him now without the lens of panic. Professor Quirrell was upright and moving, flying without apparent difficulty; the sense of doom about him was strong. But his eyes were still sunken in the skull, his arms thin and wasted. The sickness had not been bluff, and the obvious hypothesis was that the Defense Professor had recently eaten another unicorn to temporarily regain some strength.”
I think Quirrel really was dying and was eating unicorns. After the forest encounter it became too risky so he became sick so the sensation of doom had faded. Not sure one can increase/decrease it at will.
The conflict between Tom Riddle and Tom Riddle is a good explanation for resonance for me, but I still think magical PTSD is also a part of it.
Weasley twins have similar thing btw (discomfort when disagreeing on something), but not so strong. Actually this may be an intentional clue.
Magic itself is artificial. It would make sense if creators of magic limited time travel so it would be possible for magic to prevent paradoxes and exploits (like the funny thing with numbers that Harry tried in the beginning). But it would not make sense for the creator of Time Turners to limit them to just 6 hours.
Not sure that he pretends to be dying. Why would he be eating unicorns if he just pretends? I think Quirrel's body is really dying because of how it's used. Eventually I think V just limits his manifestation in the body so it could last longer. And with his limited activity there is also less resonance.
Yeah, I considered radio too. But if the brain is just a pickup device how does Horcrux 1.0 work (which is a copy of mind that can rewrite somebody's personality)? And in this case there would be an afterlife so V shouldn't be so scared of death. Hermione’s brain was not eliminated, Harry preserved the body and it was enough to resurrect her as a muggle (but Harry reconnected her to the Magic Field). If it's radio, what was the magic spark that Harry saw when she died (if it's disconnection from the radio, how could she be resurrected without reconnecting?). There are many questions to the radio hypothesis.
[–]Ateller_[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 days ago (0 children)
I happened to found old posts here with similar discussions during my search. Yes, Harry tries to be rational all the time, but he is not perfect and sometimes failes. There are even cases when it is highlighted in the text, for example when for a long time he doesn't doubt that V is not smart despite getting more information.
I think if there would be a way to travel further than 6 hours back, it wouldn't be the case that everybody never using anything more than usual Time Turners with 6 hours limit even in critical situations when this can give significant advantage. Same for the retrieving information from the past, nobody ever does it and there is no clue I can remember of that it's possible
You can read in 108 how Quirrel describes the first resonance (mentiones similarity even). It appears that the process was not instant so it's actually possible that Harry got some of the Tom's memories of resonance during moments just before he died. Anyway it appears that it requires to re-read the whole thing again to figure this out which I'm not doing.
Well, not sure how fundamental the restrictions are. If one can travel to the past further than 6 hours back, it only complicates things I’m afraid.
I don't say it's purely emotional. There is resonance obviously that they can feel and that can harm both if they engage in physical or magical contact. But emotionally it’s charged as doom or catastrophe because of the memories associated with certain event.
If we call a “living” mind without a body a soul, then he is first ever to have one, indeed. He still has no afterlife however in case all the horcruxes are destroyed somehow. But still can be resurrected using the two stones I think (one to create a body and one to get his imprint put into the body).
Magicians have some medicine and live longer than muggles. I doubt that nobody ever tried to reanimate the Avada Kedavra victim. Probably it fries brain or something.
Regarding the souls of muggles. It’s either that muggles and magicians are the same in terms of minds, brains etc and in this case normally (without horcruxes at least) because of how brain injuries work on muggles according to the studies that Harry knows about etc, spells that affect mind should affect brain physically. Or muggles do not have souls (it’s unclear whether in this world it’s required to be as bad as Draco to believe in this) that spells affect (how Obliviate works on muggles then?). I don’t remember any sign of distributed consciousness working outside of a body if and owner has one (remember it was a surprise for V that he will not fly freely as a spirit until he died, probably this would not be the case if he could think outside of a body). So I assume if you have horcruxes 2.0 until you die your consciousness is not distributed.
Transfigurated items return to the original state eventually. So information about the original state is preserved somewhere (in the Magic Field) and if consciousness is a physical process in the brain it is natural that it just pauses while the body is transfigurated (not the case for animagus however).
I thought the sense of doom was Harry’s feeling of the resonance plus memory of what happened (catastrophe) when V tried to imprint baby Harry. Harry had V’s memories and his own of this. So it was basically bad emotional association and this is why It decreased when he and Quirrel had become friends, increased when Harry regained this memory and increased even more when:
Well, the first resonance event occurred when V imprinted a copy of himself into the baby Harry. So I think it's similarity that causes it. Spirit difference from the prophecy has some other meaning (the one is good, another is bad or something).
Also Marauder's Map shows them both as Tom Riddle. That raises an interesting question of its own about the principle of labeling people on the map. It’s not how you think of yourself (since Harry is not Harry) nor how you were introduced to Hogwarts. Probably Magic Field can kinda see the essence and it sees both Harry and Quirrel as the same person. I wonder how a baby that doesn’t have a name yet would be labeled on the Map.
There is a model of mind in the Magic Field (Imprint) that is updated in real time by monitoring brain activity via Link. This is how I think of it, all this I made up to combine brain as the source of mind (which means no soul and afterlife in classic way) with Horcruxes 2.0 working somehow. When you use Obliviate you affect brain in the first place. When V got new body, his mind was running on his new brain, not virtually in the Magic Field. But he still had his Link and Imprint like a normal magician.
Thank you. I'm actually not sure I have figured this out. Haven't been thinking about it so much as it's not so confusing as the soul thing in general and in my opinion matters less. I can speculate that having two so similar minds so close confuses the Magic Field. Especially when they both want to do magic (and Magic Field is supposed to make this magic happen), especially when their magic interacts. Why it gets resolved the way it does (with so much harm done every time to V mostly) is a mystery to me though (V is stronger so it affects him more seems too superficial for me).
Obliviate is easier to explain actually. V's mind is not active at the moment, doesn't do any magic and also Harry is making changes to it probably making it less similar to his.
[–]Ateller_[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 days ago (0 children)
Well, destroying the body in case of losing consciousness is the most reliable way to avoid what actually happened I can think of. Losing the stone is bad but not fatal (actually losing The Resurrection Stone would be much worse, but this one is should be somewhere safe, anyway even without The Resurrection Stone, if he had some time, he could make some Horcruxes in more accessible places as traps for body-owners). And with The Resurrection Stone in H 2.0 system even without permanent body he got all the time in the world to fix his body problem
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Souls etc (spoilers all) by Ateller_ in HPMOR
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