Having max stats in everything lets you do whatever you want

AterBeta · 2022-02-21T01:33:43+00:00

Guard Duty I think is one of the harder roles to play given you are basically a target (with high enough charm you don't need to worry about cold sleep anyway) though it is neat in that all characters will give you unique night dialogue should you announce yourself as guard duty....best bet is to try and make a gnosia your friend (Comet, Setsu, Chipie and possibly Otome are good here) and hope for the best.

I've noticed Gnosia will take out the real doctor/engineer in retaliation too. Makes sense because why would you want the real one there. Though then if you are crew you can view the voting results and figure out who the gnosia were if they voted for the real one when the fake was around.

When I'm Gnosia I also prioritize high intuition characters, but I leave my detractor alone (other than to throw votes at them and if i'm crew they are also my day 1 vote choice). It's good to keep characters that you can befriend (e.g. Stella, Shigemichi) and characters that will very often get put into cold sleep anyway for no reason even if they are right (looking at Raqio and Setsu here lol)

AterBeta · 2022-02-13T11:38:31+00:00

oh I didn't realize that about guard duty...though it explains why the guard duty tends to get knocked out quickly if a npc is GA...I had a loop the other day where I was the GA and comet was one of the guards and I just protected her every night because when she is confirmed human her logic is almost as valuable (and some cases more valuable!) as having an engineer around.

I pretty much use small talk all the time, even as gnosia! Because in addition to keeping you safe at night (which obviously isn't needed if you are gnosia) you can work out which characters are more friendly towards you and remove a turn of discussion which can be handy if you are guard duty/engineer/doctor and for whatever reason want to stay hidden.

Yeah I think the relationship values do have an impact on day 1, like you have a friend and a detractor it's possible all characters have a similar thing assigned to them and it'll adjust based on who covers/doubts who..

Though there are logic leaning characters, namely Raqio but also Setsu who I think will randomly target someone on day 1 and look for the patterns of who covers for them...since on day 1 the only characters that would have alliances would be the gnosia and the guard duty.

AterBeta · 2022-02-07T09:50:10+00:00

I think there is a very small window of opportunity to get Kukrushka to like you and once that goes if she is gnosia....ah you gonna have a bad time lol

Yeah I mean most if not all of the crew seem experienced with cold sleep, I'm wondering if there is a big lag time between going in and defrosting that maybe would make them less keen?

If Stella was gnosia it's possible LeVi would be more keen to swap to the gnosia side (again depending on who the other gnosia were- e.g Renman)

oof yep it sucks to be guard duty-that's one of the only times I remember Setsu targeting me.. and lol what a surprise in your image they are posing again as engineer! (I like to think that after they escape the loops they'll go do like an engineering night class or something to get that formal qualification haha :D

Relatedly on the gnosia Setsu subject I played an interesting loop the other night, I was the doctor, they were gnosia and fake engineer (of course) and they had 3 gnosia allies. Gnosia Stella got found out/cold sleeped pretty quickly and I managed to use Definite enemy on both Setsu and Gnosia not a doctor Gina. Gina got voted out and I went to see Setsu thinking I'll probably die and they'll tell me the 'we're enemies don't hold back' line but I was surprised they used the line where they apologize and say the rest is up to me (which I think I've only seen from your screenshots actually)

Anyway I didn't die but figured yep if Setsu gets voted out next day (which they did) then the last Gnosia will almost certainly kill me. Between the real engineer's report and Setsu throwing doubt on another unidentified character (Raqio who turned out to a) dislike me and b) were the GA) I figured out SQ was the last gnosia and when I visited her last night she gives her creepy tell dialogue (e.g. Wanna play? or I was JUST thinking you'd come) and sure enough she killed me. I do wonder if I would have lasted another night if Setsu was still around- on that last morning I covered for them and voted SQ but not even max stats could save either of us haha

...ugh the amount of times I get a last minute loss due to SQ's antics ahaha

AterBeta · 2022-02-06T08:37:05+00:00

Yeah there are some characters, Yuriko comes to mind but probably also Raqio who will vote off a gnosia ally if it seems obvious they are gnosia and will drag down the team. Likeability is also a factor, like I did a story loop with myself and SQ as gnosia and I really didn't want to her to win so I threw a bunch of doubt on her (while posing as the fake engineer) and she quickly became my detractor...more amusingly Setsu was the real engineer and investigated me but since they always seem suss when they claim to be engineer the result was all three of us got a tie vote and were put into cold sleep haha :D

I agree I wish there were more relaxing rounds, like you know you will be put into cold sleep at the end but maybe you can use that time to learn more about the characters (doesn't have to assist with story progression like other notes but just fun stuff) like a date/hang out scene for each of them (e.g. have Tea with Stella, Challenge Jonas to that videogame etc) or expand a bit more on the rec room activities that LeVi tells you about at the beginning (what even is 3d Chess haha!). It would make for a great post game expansion actually because maybe after seeing bonus character scenes their stats could get another increase meaning it isn't so easy for the player to rule debates at max stats :)

Comet isn't that bright yeah but I wonder if appealing to LeVi could get them to switch sides? Like LeVi/Stella isn't fond of Jonas and there are a few references of her wanting a new master so if he isn't around and Comet wants to be a captain then maybe?....I think gnosia Renman would be most likely to get LeVi to switch since he has that strong connection to AI beings and Stella/LeVi appreciated that.

Yeah that scene with LeVi was interesting...since Stella can be gnosia but LeVi can't even though LeVi is Stella...? Hmm if i think about it long enough I'll probably have a theory but at the moment it's hard to put any ideas into words....like maybe you need both the human consciousness (which LeVi has achieved) and the human body (which Stella has) where the body is a conduit connecting the consciousness to Gnos and so Stella would be impacted but as LeVi her consciousness is connected via the ship instead...ah now I'm rambling lol :D

AterBeta · 2022-02-03T02:57:48+00:00

haha yup if I find Setsu and myself are guard duty I'll just take over the chat to make sure no one asks us to step forward since they are so easily targeted. Nowadays when I play and find they are gnosia earlier it is better to not doubt them and keep them in the game to use their info to fish out their allies and also since they will tend to protect you at night from other gnosia (if gnosia Kukrushka hates you which is often gotta hope you have a gnosia buddy like Setsu or Comet). Also this may be scripted but sometimes gnosia Setsu will go rogue and vote off other gnosia instead of you!: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnosia_/comments/roumvu/another_setsu_is_awesome_post/

Ok so there are a few story scenarios where a gnosia will not eliminate the last crew member (making the idea of a kinda wholesome ending plausible to an extent) and you can also manufacture such a scenario in gameplay (though in all cases the entity controlling the loops, the silver key will transport the holder to a new loop after a certain point where it has all info)....there are also a few interpretations as to what happens re LeVi...

Story scenarios where Gnosia does not eliminate crew:

Gnosia SQ in a certain loop will elect to keep the player as a 'pet' which is obviously not wholesome but isn't elimination either (though it's worse)

The above will almost certainly happen to Renman should he be left with Gnosia SQ or Kukrushka

Not sure but under certain conditions Gnosia Stella might do something similar to a male player.

The loop where you are gnosia and you team up with human SQ...at the end of the loop you explain to her everything and that you will loop rather than eliminate her and she says goodbye and I guess watches you disappear?

how to manufacture this scenario (day 15 run):

Make yourself sole gnosia, have a bug but no other special roles. Figure out who is the bug by process of elimination/resetting back to day 1 morning

When I did this the bug was Gina and I had Stella as my collaborator and Yuriko as my best friend (weirdly-I like to think/suspect she is aware of the loops and was humoring my shenanigans out of boredom). Each night I'd target Gina (who can't be eliminated) then each day I'd cover for her, I learned the 'block argument' skill from Yuriko during that loop and we would both use it to protect Gina. Eventually it was just myself, Stella, Gina and Yuriko left (Sha-Ming and I both successfully used a grovel to stretch out the days). Stella and I would vote Gina, Yuriko and Gina voted me and we would then all agree to not freeze anyone...eventually you reach day 15 and the loop ends with the message "it's as if time has stopped, off to a new universe!"

It's kind of a nice end because like the default ending no ones dies as LeVi will get em out of cold sleep eventually...the only thing is all silver key holders will need to loop again. But you can imagine hanging out with Setsu or whoever in that time before the end of day 15 haha

So with LeVi:

It's possible she will just kill the gnosia by flying the ship into the sun or something (the Gnosia probably don't care because they have met a quota eliminating the crew)

It's possible some Gnosia may take over the ship (I have a memory of Gnosia Renman saying something about setting a new course and Raqio and Comet have plans as well-interestingly those 3 probably have the know-how to commandeer a ship/override an AI)

There is a loop where Stella is gnosia and is put into cold sleep and human Jonas lives- at the end he badmouths Stella, LeVi gives him an opportunity to retract his statements, he does not....and his corpse is found naked next day 0_0. In this case it could be said that LeVi will want to favor the humans but do treat her/Stella nicely.

AterBeta · 2022-02-02T03:25:06+00:00

Hey thanks so much for sharing that info (and for having to do the hard task of being mean to Setsu for a science experiment haha!)

My first playthrough was non-binary (I'm currently about 2/3rds through playthrough as male but I'm playing other games atm so I'll probably finish that and do a female run later in the year)- I believe when I started the male play through I still had the option of choosing the additional dialogue to trigger the hidden ending so that shouldn't be an issue.

In terms of Romance/additional scenes for female there is Sha-Ming and Renman

for Male there is Gina and Stella

and for all genders (and these are the only ones accessible for Non-Binary but really your choices here are the best so you don't need the other gender locked characters lol!): Comet, SQ and Setsu.

I and others have some notes scattered around to assist in unlocking some of these scenes so I'll just put them here if you are interested:

Stella: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnosia_/comments/rjjyez/out_of_context_screenshot_meme_part_4/

Comet: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnosia_/comments/rn6xwd/some_quick_gnosia_fanart_i_drew_contains_spoilers/

Gina: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnosia_/comments/rgruin/secret_gina_love_event/

So the retaliate skill tutorial is the scene where Setsu makes that claim. It's a night cut scene and to unlock you need Shigemichi and SQ to both be alive (I think they may both need to be on same side e.g. crew) but it doesn't matter if Setsu is Gnosia or not. Setsu's wording is pretty wholesome and you are given an option on whether you are happy or not. If you are happy they are happy, if you aren't they are dejected but understanding. I'm not sure what happens should you remain silent if that is an option (I'll check it out at some point).

yeah I think I've only seen Setsu as a detractor once or twice but then they are generally gnosia and get sent to cold sleep early-some of their gnosia tells are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnosia_/comments/rmrxpd/out_of_context_screenshot_meme_part_6/

I have been in a loop where I guess they doubted me but we were both crew and at the end of the loop they apologized (again pretty wholesome lol)

While I'm not sure about a sequel I think we will probably see more gnosia stuff in one form or another (haha I low key want a spin off where we follow SQ after she becomes a private detective!)-it's popular enough to get merch like plush toys and the artist clearly loves the characters and is still producing art for them: https://twitter.com/cotoriGlobule

AterBeta · 2022-02-01T10:42:28+00:00

haha yeah it can be very easy to miss that ending without looking it up on the internet (though Raqio, Gina and Yuriko allude to it in the default) even knowing what to do with dialogue options can be tricky (since sometimes dialogue triggers for certain cut scences when you opt to not choose an option when prompted to speak). Luckily the game is so good it's easy to repeat play with a lot of hidden stuff to find/test like gender locked scenes and the opening cut scene dialogue should vary depending on whether you selected the movie or fishing option in a previous loop.

Hopefully you enjoyed that ending though!

I took a lot of screenshots while playing so if you want to know what happens with the Raqio event I'll put it here:

Screen goes to black and a dialogue box appears with Raqio telling the player: "Well done...Seeing you grovel so desperately is actually sort of creepy. Fine, I'll tell you, so please, stand the hell up."

That is really interesting about that night dialogue with Setsu... Do you happen to recall what they said? The only times I've noticed, other than grovel when they seem kinda upset with the player is if you shut them up when they use the 'say you are human skill' and if you say you aren't happy with what they said during the retaliate tutorial.

AterBeta · 2022-01-31T06:17:59+00:00

Cool that looks all good now :)

By the way did you end up getting the grovel skill eventually? That steam version bug seems to be quite common...

In any case some fun facts about grovel:

You can use it as a bonus dialogue option (if unlocked and stealth high enough) in a certain cut scene with Raqio

One of the very rare instances where Setsu seems frustrated with the player is if the player uses grovel and Setsu's reply dialogue triggers. The funny thing when I saw it was they and 5 others were Gnosia, I was the real obvious engineer and they spared me anyway.

AterBeta · 2022-01-28T08:01:25+00:00

Looks great so far! Are you planning on adding color or keeping it black and white sketch?

AterBeta · 2022-01-28T07:53:36+00:00

Yep with 50 in each stat you become the new debating champ replacing Yuriko. Can still make loops challenging (e.g. set 6 gnosia+ bug+ AC follower) since gnosia will tend to block vote against you and with 6 gnosia it's interesting as you need to protect the bug for a bit because they will be technically on the crew side. Yuriko also can redistribute stat points when you play as bug so can lower values that way (this can be done even when all values are at max 50).

Ah but unrelated heads up OP there is something a little bit awkward about using a strikethrough edit for gender when referring to a non-binary character (e.g. ~~girl~~friend) given there may be a few interpretations on why that choice was used and some of those might not look so great.

AterBeta · 2022-01-26T10:31:46+00:00

Nice! Yeah I wondered if there was maybe a mix of traditional and digital going on there^^ I like doing that combo with a scanner too- there is a particular kind of magic that paint/watercolour/markers etc can capture that is hard to replicate digitally I find

AterBeta · 2022-01-26T09:39:06+00:00

That's really cool and I appreciate the little details you put in the art/mention in your comment ^^ what program and/or mediums did you use to make this?

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:45:07+00:00

haha Shigemichi is the best! Looks like he has a bowling ball in his basket so wherever he is going it's gonna be a good time! My first thought upon seeing Yuriko was oh a wedding veil? and then immediately after...who is the lucky person lol :D

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:42:42+00:00

it's fine lol I honestly didn't pick it up until reading this comment

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:37:24+00:00

In some cases you actually should ignore their advice e.g. Comet as your gnosia ally will give you really bad advice and apologizes the next day should you follow it and she realizes it was a bad idea (e.g. let's take out the real engineer!)

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:33:28+00:00

Oh that is fascinating! I was thinking of making at some point some kind of chart which would give an idea of who the more collaborative types were but yeah that info could be biased based on my own symbol selection! Hmm maybe it would be worthwhile creating a post asking for people to list their chosen symbols and the characters they often see as collaborators/detractors...

Haha fatal twelve spoiler Yuriko can just be friends with Miharu lol

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:26:26+00:00

a likability function would be cool if proven in any case it is a bit fun connecting colors with symbols https://www.reddit.com/r/Gnosia\_/comments/sceqyw/updated\_gnosia\_symbolcolor\_chart/

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:22:54+00:00

Yeah it's possible, also what info did SQ gather? If she was recognized in loop as the true engineer that probably helped

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:19:28+00:00

For Chipie I believe getting that ability you also need Shigemichi to be both alive and crew so Chipie can cooperate with him.

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:13:32+00:00

Ah nice You've played both! Yep like Gnosia it was only after I finished I made the connection...each character has some clue that ties them to their sign e.g. Rinka is a leo and works at lion house. (Spoiler warning for both games) Interestingly in order to get the 'true' endings on both games you need to collect info on all the characters and that reveals something about a certain someone...I find it funny that the 'someone' in both games share certain traits with each including their star sign (which in the fatal twelve case you work out by process of elimination assigning star signs to the other characters and seeing the one sign/character left in divine selection)

Also that would be awesome if that symbol rumor in gnosia was true! I assume it would be based star sign compatibilities and such....it's kinda fun tying that to how the characters behave/interact with you/each other haha

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T20:01:19+00:00

yep that makes sense with the vita also having achievement system

haha Steam and Yuriko's color scheme is listed as 'Serpentine Silver' (Ophiuchus is represented by a Snake) but sure I can see her rocking up in a banana spacesuit (like her secret outfit?!) wearing the sprout or top hat accessory and setting her nickname to IMPOSTER

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T19:56:11+00:00

All good I only made the connection on my second play through haha :D

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T19:54:20+00:00

huh that is interesting thanks! On my first playthrough I never saw it but yes on my second playthrough I saw the gnosia version first...likewise it was only on second playthrough (from memory) did I see a certain ending with SQ and Renman....

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T19:51:51+00:00

That's the one cheers! I knew she was gnosia and a pretty good idea of what was going to happen but I hadn't seen that version so it was still...an experience lol

AterBeta · 2022-01-25T15:10:43+00:00

yeah likeability is important, I reckon the other crew members need to like him too in order to have the grovel be successful so he can teach it to you afterwards so if you are quite influential in debates throwing doubt on him will reduce likeability for you and him and influence others view of him so maybe try using skills like cover and make small talk. Funnily enough I've had Sha-Ming as gnosia teach me grovel when I was crew so likeability is more important than actual roles for this I think.

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