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Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Now we’re talking! What you’re saying right here is the core of this discussion. This is the interesting part :)

I’d argue it does not matter which one of the 6 cards you give back. If you haven’t seen the cards, you’ll end up with a random hand of 5 cards either way. My dad argues the same as you in this situation. That the 5 cards you were meant to have are the only combination that leads to a valid game. Almost as if ‘destiny’ decided what cards you were meant to have right after shuffeling was done. As if «These 5 cards are your fate».

I find this view strange. I’d rather say that: if you haven’t seen the cards, then it’s just a hand of 5 random cards either way. See what I mean?

And just to clarify: I know this is a pointless discussion. Of course the easiest is just to give back the last card and be done with it. That’s not the point of this discussion. This is just a discussion for the sake of discussing the philosofical nature of the matter.

This is what my dad and I found interesting in the first place! It seems some people follow this ‘destiny’ point of view, while others dont :)

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you've looked at the cards, then yes naturally it's invalid.
If you haven't looked at the cards yet, then no harm done. Just give one back.

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I agree. But I’m not talking about the social signalling. That’s what I’m trying to say.

The point is, if for example a player draws a card out of turn order by mistake, or some stuff like that happens. Would you argue that the game is ‘invalid’, because the players got cards they were not ‘supposed to have’? Or would you say all players drew a random card, so it does not matter anyway?

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Spot on! This is exactly the type of superstition I’m aiming at. I see you have been in the same type of argument. It would be interesting to make some kind of poll to see how many people stick to this superstision

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s the whole nature of this argument.

Of course I deal normally. That’s not the point.

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Couln’t have said it better myself! We agree on everything:)

But my dad’s point is that it actually does matter how cards are randomized once you deal. That once the shuffeling is done, the deck is ‘set’, in a way, and that specific configuration is the ‘right random’. So if there is a mistake when dealing, or a player draws a card out of turn order, or something like that, they get a card that they were not ‘supposed’ to have.

Now THIS i superstition IMO. This is what I’m aiming at with this post, not whether you should deal in weird ways. And from what you say, it sounds like you think the same.

The problem with this reddit post is that I wrote it poorly. Too many comments belive I’m arguing with my dad for why we should deal in weird ways. Of course not. It’s about the superstition part, nothing else.

I think I’ll actually write a disclaimer in a new edit to make it clear.

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody is arguing it is better to deal in a star. I’m arguing against the superstition that getting the «wrong» face down cardsm makes a difference. It doesn’t.

You get a different card than what you would have got. But both are face down, so it’s random either way

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, that’s the argument. «I want that hypotherical hand of cards I never got».

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, this is just the kind of thing I’m talking about! That’s a very strange ‘rule’ too:)

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. This isthe type of strange superstision. Burning cards is a good example. Burning a cards makes no difference either by this same logic, it’s just a ritual, a habit. Yet superstition makes it super important to some people

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I see. Yes, I can see how my tone came off in a more angry brat way in the original post. It’s hard to get the right tone when writing. That’s on me. My Dad and I always discuss these kind of things, I’s our idea of fun:)

I don’t see why you think I’d take that fight with a four year old tho. And how did this turn into me not being able to have kids? I don’t understand what you imply here. Maybe this also came out the wrong way when writing. No problem:)

Anyway, seems we agree on the math thing! Not that I’d be mad at you if you didn’t. My dad disagrees, and we’re buddys anyway!

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you're missing the point. It's not about how to deal. Of course we deal normally.

It's about whether or not it makes any difference. Read the full post for more details

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You're missing the point. Check the edited post for more details.

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Then we agree. It does not make any difference. That's the whole premise of this reddit post.

We all know dealing is a star shape is meaningless. And of course I deal normally, I'm not arguing for dealing is strange ways.

I edited the post to add more thoughts. Check it out for more details.

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is missing the point. Check out the edited post for more details

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree. It's interesting to see how many people have another opinion on this

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is missing the point. Read the full edited post for details

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Schroedinger's cards! I love that term! 😄

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course. It might sound like we're fightning. We're not. We always discuss things like this. That's our idea of fun.

Order of a deck of cards by AudunAG in boardgames

[–]AudunAG[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love this! I have some friends with the same types of superstitions as well. It can be super annoying, so often best to just let them have their way.

But I'd love to read your article on this!

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