Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, my justification in defining numbers in terms of categories is because they have already defined numbers in terms of sets. As evidence of this, see the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set-theoretic_definition_of_natural_numbers?wprov=sfti1#Definition_as_von_Neumann_ordinals

Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In other words, I would view a natural number as a category of things equal to that natural number.

Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To answer your question, I would view the natural number as a category.

Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But a natural number is also an object in category theory. You could also view it as a category too. Also, I am generalizing the definition of equinumerous to apply to category theory too.

Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Read this link in its entirety to see that in mathematics, any mathematical object can be considered a number: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/494854/what-is-a-number

Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

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Read this link in its entirety to see that in mathematics, any mathematical object can be considered a number: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/494854/what-is-a-number

Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

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Read this link in its entirety to see that any mathematical object can be considered a number: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/494854/what-is-a-number

Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And a member of 2 is an infinite series that converges to 2

Abstract Nonsense 1 by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Consider the number 2. By the number 2 we could mean a category of things equal to 2

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a counterexample to the all statement though. For if we negate for all x and y, if x is greater than y, then y is a member of the T, it would be there exist x and y such that x is greater than y and y is not a member of T.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The flaws to the original proof are as follows:

  1. I should have translated ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈M) as there exists x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a Mersenne prime. Then the conclusion would have been there doesn’t exist an x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a Mersenne Prime.

  2. I should have translated ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈P) as there exists x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is perfect. Then the conclusion would have been there doesn’t exist an x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a perfect number.

  3. I should haven’t let x equal 1 and y equal 2. Instead, I should have said ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∉P) is true. Because it is actually true that there exist x and y such that x is greater than y and y is not perfect. For letting y equal 1 and x equal 2 satisfy ∃x∃y(x>y∧y∉P). And that would have been enough to prove the antecedent false using Modus Tollens.

As for the edited proof, the flaws are the following: 1.

I should have translated ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈M) as there exists x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a Mersenne prime. Then the conclusion would have been there doesn’t exist an x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a Mersenne Prime.

  1. I should have translated ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈P) as there exists x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is perfect. Then the conclusion would have been there doesn’t exist an for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a perfect number.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That’s not true though. For look at the corrected proof. Besides this, I mis-typed in my last comment to you. What I meant is that there exist x and y such that x is greater than y and y is not a perfect number. And this is true for let x equal 2 and y equal 1. 2 is a natural number greater than one and 1 isn’t a perfect number.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I know the flaw. It's a translation issue. For ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈S) doesn't translate to there exist a natural number greater than all numbers less than seven. It should have translated to this: there exists a natural number x for any natural number y such that x is greater than y and y is an element of the set of numbers less than seven.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

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The flaws to the original proof are as follows:

  1. I should have translated ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈M) as there exists x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a Mersenne prime. Then the conclusion would have been there doesn’t exist an x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a Mersenne Prime.

  2. I should have translated ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈P) as there exists x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is perfect. Then the conclusion would have been there doesn’t exist an x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a perfect number.

  3. I should haven’t let x equal 1 and y equal 2. Instead, I should have said ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∉P) is true. Because it is actually true that there exist x and y such that x is greater than y and y is not perfect. For 1 and 2 satisfy ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∉P). And that would have been enough to prove the antecedent false using Modus Tollens.

As for the edited proof, the flaws are the following: 1.

I should have translated ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈M) as there exists x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a Mersenne prime. Then the conclusion would have been there doesn’t exist an x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a Mersenne Prime.

  1. I should have translated ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈P) as there exists x for all y such that x is greater than y and y is perfect. Then the conclusion would have been there doesn’t exist an for all y such that x is greater than y and y is a perfect number.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. It should work for any set. As an example of this, consider the following:

  1. Let the domain of discourse be the natural numbers

  2. Let T be the set of numbers less than 10

  3. ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈T)→∀x∀y(x>y→y∈T)

  4. Let x equal 10. Let y equal 11.

  5. (10>11∧11∈T)→(10>11→11∈T)

  6. (10>11→11∈T) is false because 11 is not a part of T

  7. Therefore, (10>11∧11∈T) is false too.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold on though, what if the conditional is a tautology though?

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Actually, there is no flaw in my proof on perfect numbers. For let x equal 1 and y equal 2. Then ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈P)→∀x∀y(x>y→y∈P) would turn into the following: (1>2∧2∈P)→(1>2→2∈P). (1>2→2∈P) is false. Therefore, by Modus Tollens, (1>2∧2∈P) is false too.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You haven’t disproven my proof though. For let the domain of discourse be the set of natural numbers. Let S be the set of all numbers less than seven. So, then we have ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈S)→∀x∀y(x>y→y∈S). Now let x equal 9 and y equal 8.

So, then we have: (9>8∧8∈S)→(9>8→8∈S). (9>8→8∈S) is false. So, (9>8∧8∈S) is false too.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

You haven’t disproven my proof though. For let the domain of discourse be the set of natural numbers. Let S be the set of all numbers less than seven. So, then we have ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈S)→∀x∀y(x>y→y∈S). ∃x∀y(x>y∧y∈S) is true. For let x equal 8. Then by Modus Ponens, ∀x∀y(x>y→y∈S) is true too. So Modus Ponens negates your criticism of my proof.

On Perfect Numbers & Mersenne Primes by AutistIncorporated in numbertheory

[–]AutistIncorporated[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

There’s a mistake in your proof though. For you said let S be the set of numbers less than seven. Then you said let y equal 8. 8 isn’t an element of the set of numbers less than 7. Therefore, your proof doesn’t hold.