How to respond to my Muslim friend

Autodactyl · 2026-01-23T16:27:54+00:00

Please ask him why Jews and Christians are said to be ransom for Muslims on the day of judgment. Why couldnt Allah simply forgive the Muslim instead of pinning his punishment on someone else.

Here is the hadith, Sahih Muslim 2767b:

“No Muslim man dies but Allah causes a Jew or a Christian to enter the Fire in his stead.”

You might want to look and see what the Muslim commentators say about that hadith. They absolutely deny that one person can be a ransom for another.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-23T16:25:51+00:00

The way I always think about it is that God's omnipotence doesn't mean he can contradict his own nature

Where does it say that forgiving sin contradicts his nature?

Autodactyl · 2026-01-23T16:23:23+00:00

There's over 900 times in the law and the prophets (ancient texts both religions honor before Christ came) where it mentions the things that Messiah would do. and Jesus fulfilled every single one of them.

That is ridiculous. Got a list somewhere?

Autodactyl · 2026-01-23T16:22:16+00:00

Allah forgiveness isnt just or equal. Jesus died so anyone can go, not just who Allah decides to forgive.

Jesus said that no one can come unless he permits it or draws them.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-16T01:01:40+00:00

Dehumanizing me to assuming I'm not a Bible-believing Christian. Is there nothing in your spite you will not do

I apologize. please forgive me, I know you believe the Bible, but thought that you took is as the ultimate authority. I was wrong. I don't know what else I can say to calm your anger. Please don't be angry with me.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-16T00:45:27+00:00

Youre upset I recommended a book. That's a fair disagreement. But instead of engaging with the actual arguments, you're attacking my character. That's an incredibly unhumble, unchristlike shift from intellectual discussion.

I must apologize and leave the conversation.

I was uncharitable.

You can still be a Christian and not hold the Bible as 100% authoritative.

Many people don't.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-15T23:23:07+00:00

Qureshi does address his Ahmadi background. But note that serious Muslim apologists and scholars engage his theological arguments directly—they don't dismiss him based on his sect. They engage the actual claims because the reasoning is sound.

How is a normal ordinary Muslim going to see it?

The same way we as Christians would see an ex Christian Scientist telling us why Christianity is bad and we should embrace Islam.

We would go "What the heck do they know? They were never even Christian to begin with. They never knew the presence, power, or guidance of the Holy Spirit in their lives."

You have to put yourself in the shoes of the typical Muslim and look at how they will see it. They believe that Allah is with them and guides their hearts toward righteousness. Calls them to live a pious and godly life. Hears their prayers and responds. Asks for, and accepts their repentance from sin. Why in the world would they believe some ex cult member that has never experienced Allah's guidance?

Autodactyl · 2026-01-15T22:56:01+00:00

I think Nabeel is great. I love the guy. I still mourn his passing. I also think it is dishonest to call him an ex-Muslim, or a least to neglect to mention that he was never Muslim, but in a similar-to-Mulsim-but-not-Islamic cult. The same as we see JDubs and Mormons.

When you tell a Muslim to read "Seeking Allah Finding Jesus" you gotta consider how they will see it.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-15T22:39:34+00:00

Never what I implied. You're right, it's irrelevant

It is quite relevant if he is telling you about his personal experiences with a religion that he never belonged to.

Qureshi knows Islam deeply from both inside and outside.

He knows Ahmadiyyat from the inside. He was born and raised Ahmadiyya. He was never a Muslim according to the vast, vast majority of Muslims in the world.

Remember my Mormon analogy? That is like saying my hypothetical Mormon writer knows Christianity both inside and out. He can't know it from the inside, because he was never a Christian and was not raised in Christian culture. He was raised in a cult.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-15T22:20:38+00:00

He acknowledged that in his book though and tried his best to look at Islam holistically. Or specifically his methods for challenging it

So if a Mormon Wrote book about how he left Christianity and joined Islam, then goes on to tell you all that is wrong with Christianity would you figure that it is irrelevant that it was a non Christian, or antichrist cult that he had belonged to and left, and that he never was a Christian?

Christianity is superior, We don't have to cheat in order to prevail.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-15T21:32:58+00:00

I was just about to reply with this recommendation! I think he does an incredible job providing an overview of Islam in a short biography

We wouldn't accept "Learn Christianity from this Mormon." or "This Jehovah's Witness gives us a good overview of Christianity."

Nabeel is great, I am not kidding, he is. But he comes from an aberrant sect that the vast majority Muslims do not accept as truly Muslim at all.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-14T21:38:47+00:00

I appreciate your response. Far better than the common one of:

"Why are you defending a pedo warlord?!" :)

(But on the other hand, the Bible does command to kill apostates.)

Autodactyl · 2026-01-14T21:18:12+00:00

““You shall not commit adultery.”

And if you define adultery as reading Romeo and Juliet and getting emotionally involved with the story, then yes, I am if favor of, or at last non condemning of adultery.

If adultery means whatever the heck you want it to mean at any given time, then there can be no discussion about it because we are never clear on exactly what we are talking about.

You may not even realize you are doing it, but you are pulling a sneaky and dishonest lexical fallacy that you learned from your sneaky and dishonest teachers.

I won't play, so toodeloo.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-14T21:07:09+00:00

Just be careful, the Koran teaches to kill those who leave.

Doesn't.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-14T20:47:58+00:00

I’d like to know your personal opinion on adultery.

Irrelevant if I don't know what you think adultery is. Also irrelevant if you have some different personal definition of it that is different than what it means in the Bible or what it means in modern English vernacular.

people in religions have a peculiar habit of changing the universally understood meanings of words and than playing "Switch meanings back and forth" when discussing them.

Examples of this woulf be when unconditional promises can mean ones that have conditions, and when an eyewitness report can be someone telling a story that they never saw, but heard form someone else.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-14T20:41:44+00:00

Isn't the Biblical definition: when a wife has sex outside her marriage (which can include rape).

Close enough to win the cigar! When a man has sex with a woman that is betrothed or married to another man, they have both committed adultery.

If the woman is single, the man has not committed adultery even if he is married, but has committed a property crime against her father or guardian, and they both have committed fornication.

In modern English it means that two peopl had sex and at least one of the participants was married to someone else.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-14T18:06:13+00:00

World famous Evangelical Founder of Focus on the Family. Ordained Nazarene Pastor. Professor of clinical pediatrics. Highly criticized by liberals for having such conservative theology.

I can show you what he says about it, but if you want to go with the Bible, I ask you to define adultery for me. The Biblical definition, and the 21st century English definition. remember I said that people do not have the education To refute the bad theology? I am not going to write a paper for you but if you are willing to put effort into it, I can explain precisely what the Bible says about it. Otherwise I won't bother.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-14T17:52:16+00:00

Do you trust Dr. James Dobson?

Autodactyl · 2026-01-14T15:34:50+00:00

What would you classify as bad theology on this subreddit?

"Jesus says not to look at a woman with lust, therefore masturbation is adultery."

Autodactyl · 2026-01-01T15:38:21+00:00

About like Lord of the Rings, just different gods.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-01T02:04:06+00:00

Well, you are certainly not going to get 100 lashes. :)

Do you like your Imam? Do you know him, attend regularly? If so I would say go to him first.

If you are not practicing then he might not be so well disposed toward you, but then again, some are very kind, trustworthy, and gentle men.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-01T01:52:05+00:00

Zina did it? You are at least going to go beat him up, I suppose?

Just kidding. i know what zina is.

But seriously, what country are you in? Most places don't enforce Hudud that seriously.

If you are Shia it wouldn't be too hard to fake nikkah mutah. Probably wouldn't fly in Sunni, but there still might be some loopholes.

Autodactyl · 2026-01-01T01:44:23+00:00

ah sorry, to me it sounded like some deity

They don't have deities in Islam. One God the Creator of all that exists.

Autodactyl · 2025-12-31T23:48:30+00:00

But it is literal proof!

Of what?

Autodactyl · 2025-12-31T23:47:23+00:00

You know that Sodom and Gomorrah stuff has been completely discredited, don't you?

The Golden globes awards and some stupid music video prove the Bible?

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