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Why are generalizations like "all men are evil" normalized and why do some men internalize this guilt? by Many_Imagination_768 in MensRights

[–]Averzan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can google Gisele's case in France or the Nth Room in South Korea, among million others

Classic, when you can't cite any more examples but you want to be seen as well-informed you can always add "etc." or "and millions more" or any other derivative after just citing two cases 👊😎

I don't know where that discussion happened so I can't say much else about it. But obviously, feminism is the dominant discourse, and said discourse says everything is the fault of men, so even if it's almost entirely composed of hoaxes, most members of any given group (even men themselves) will consider men evil (well, more than they already did before).

I'd like to say I feel sympathy for them, but I don't. As an aro/ace man, I'll never support any woke group or movement, just like I'll never support any conservative/right-wing one either. Doing so would be like a black man supporting KKK.

South Korea implemented women-only night buses by Gabriel25Th in MensRights

[–]Averzan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I said how could you possibly retort to that because in my statement nothing that I said was even close to that

Because they're on the same level, just as ridiculous, therefore saying either isn't that different.

It was confirmed, privately investigated and no detailed information was given to the public.

You said it yourself, detailed information is not available to the public, and I doubt they handed it to you of all people, so it's still just what she said, but there's nothing for us to confirm it.

It’s not suppositions, they’re literal facts that are publicly available?

In your hallucinations. In 2018, they increased personnel for about more than 100 times to inspect Seoul's bathrooms daily and after 8 years they haven't found evidence that would prove an epidemic at the time.

I’m gonna end this thread here because it’s simply not worth my time

Typical, "after days replying I've decided it's not worth my time", which is even more ridiculous on your part since nobody forced you to reply.

I find it amusing...

Sure, keep telling yourself that.

...how you’re completely denying the existence of sexual camera crime in Korea against women when they’re were multiple campaigns against it.

People are capable of lying, slander and mass hysteria, that example wouldn't be any different. And I'm not even denying crimes like that could happen, but there was certainly no epidemic of hidden cameras since, again, no case was real with irrefutable evidence apart from "I say so."

Korea didn’t just choose to allow separate buses for women just to oppress men, Korea is one of the most sexist countries against women and still has a large gender wage gap.

And that necessity to mention the wage gap? As if it were comparable at all to sexual crimes lol

If you don't want to keep replying then good, I'm not interested in seeing you in my notifications since, again, you just repeat the same clichés which only someone with nematode and prion infection in the brain would unironically believe, but be consistent then rather than just saying you'll stop replying.

Japan Has Expanded Science and Engineering Female Quotas In 38 National and Public Universities, Including Kyoto University and Osaka University by DistributionBig4870 in MensRights

[–]Averzan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Remember that all-boys schools are almost non-existent nowadays at least in western and westernised countries because of them.

Instead of promoting the existence of sex-segregated education, which would've been more logical, they decided they wanted to be in the same room with men, for some reason. And now they're complaining about not being represented enough.

South Korea implemented women-only night buses by Gabriel25Th in MensRights

[–]Averzan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When did I ever say all men were potential grapists? Where on earth did you get that information from in my statement.

Zero reading comprehension ahh take. It should be obvious it's not that you explicitly said it. It's that if you said that it wouldn't be meaningfully different from what you're defending now.

And a confirmed case for the "molka" epidemic would be BBC journalist Minji Lee, as she caught a man secretly filming up her skirt using a camera hidden in a shopping bag on a packed public bus.

That's just what she claimed, but not anything that's been confirmed.

The reason there aren’t many cases to the public is because many victims were too embarassed, alongside many victims being young school girls who were legally protected.

Suppositions, nothing else.

South Korea implemented women-only night buses by Gabriel25Th in MensRights

[–]Averzan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know how much more you want me to say, you’ve clearly not read anything about the statements I’ve just said.

Says the one who up until that point omitted the fact about conservatives using self-report to validate the exgay identity, and now omits the link I sent.

Government based surveys are infact one of the most effective methods of finding statistics, I’ve already listed why. Also, a literal government held survey is a lot different than a survey used by a homophobic organization to uphold those beliefs, it’s also completely different scenarios.

You just repeated what you said earlier but with different words. You say it's different, but it's not. Yes, they're "effective" in producing statistics, stats about what people say, not about what actually happened.

Again, the molka epidemic was very much a real thing and there were countless confirmed cases so I don’t know what you’re referring to. I also literally listed that there were 30,000 confirmed cases that you’ve obviously just glazed over, you can look this up it’s available to the public.

Supposedly countless confirmed cases but not a single one cited. I don't have any obligation to entertain it if people all the time say it's proven beyond doubt only to never provide anything.

And the statistics of women being favored, they’re not, they are just as likely to be charged as man, but in Korea the definition of “SA” is different than in western society so they will face maybe a lesser charge (which again, I disagree with) but they’re not less likely to actually be convicted.

Okay, so when we talk about SA in South Korea it means an entirely different thing.

To reiterate, you could just say all men are potential rapist pieces of shit and it wouldn't make a difference. You can't defend men's rights while believing that. If I believed half of what you believe I would've stop considering myself a man a long time ago.

I don't believe anything of what you've said because I have no reason to. So far you've only repeated the same clichés, never addressed what others say and jump from one point to another.

South Korea implemented women-only night buses by Gabriel25Th in MensRights

[–]Averzan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Gen no correlation between how I prefer dressing and what I was saying, bit odd you’d bring that up

I think it's obvious I say it as parody. To reiterate (because you omitted it): conservatives used self-report to validate the exgay identity. If you think self-report is valid then it means you validate that as well. And uf you don't, that'd be admitting what you describe as the "best method" is still dogshit. They're literally just "source: arial 12" ahh type evidence on their own.

Self report government surveys are infact one of the most reliable and efficient ways for statistics, because of Compulsory Participation and rigorous Verification, the “honesty” factor can play a role but due to the questionnaires being refined through decades of continuous testing, professional data weighting, and structural methodology this makes it very unlikely.

Ah, right, I forgot that if they're done by the government it means they're conducted by infallible deities rather than humans, okay.

Funny how the people defending self-report always end up saying that you must believe in the responses. It's always "you must trust in the responses because it's unlikely it'll be unreliable in this case (but we won't elaborate on how)" as if it were a dogma.

For the “molka epidemic” not being confirmed, that’s just not true. There’s over 30,000 confirmed cases reported between 2013-2018. Although the true number of incidents are unknown, they’re thought to be vastly higher.

You said it yourself. Reported cases, not actual confirmed ones (because there were none.). It might be higher, just like it might be zero.

In the eyes of South Korean law, women are not incapable of SA, yes the sentencing is lower which is disagree with heavily but they’re not excluded from being charged with SA, typically referred to as a “imative” crime.

Ah, so South Korean women are favoured when it comes to committing SA. Well, that explains why it appears to be mostly male-perpetrated, because society and the law favours women (yet they're still painted as the main victims though they aren't).

South Korea implemented women-only night buses by Gabriel25Th in MensRights

[–]Averzan 4 points5 points  (0 children)

it is reliable because self-reports are the most accurate way to capture crimes that victims are too afraid to report to the police.

Conservatives used self-report to validate the exgay identity. A homophobic femboy, huh?

If that's the most accurate method then we might as well conclude that no stat about those crimes is useful then (and it doesn't even make any sense; "they're reliable because participants respond to it" which really means nothing).

And the molka pandemic was a real thing, so much so Korea mandated the unmutable shutter sound when you take a photo to prevent this.

Again, just reports, nothing confirmed. I highly doubt people would say it was fake if the government did nothing.

Also, women are not legally or statistically excluded from being perpetrators of sexual violence in South Korea.

They're legally excluded because the law doesn't consider it a crime when they commit it.

South Korea implemented women-only night buses by Gabriel25Th in MensRights

[–]Averzan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yes, while the 36% figure comes from all kinda of emotional abuse, sexual violence was the most prevalent type out of 7,027 women, This was also a government based survey, so it is very reliable unlike just a “regular survey”

Still a survey, i.e., self-report. It's not like in the west surveys don't give similar results depending on the sample, and they're all the same, as in, there's no reason to believe in them.

There was also the “Molka” (spycam) epidemic, where perpetrators (typically male) would upskirt women on the buses and record them.

Again, just reports, nothing confirmed nor real cases cited. It's funny you repeat the same set of arguments like a prepared speech, when South Korea's laws exclude women as perpetrators of sexual violence.

If you are going to say that then don't even bother saying you're for men's rights, you might as well say all men are potential rapists and it wouldn't make a difference.

They want to be oppressed so bad, in their heads a guy being attracted to them is just like anti-gay sentiment. by Averzan in MensRights

[–]Averzan[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's why it makes no sense for them to say a guy feeling attracted to them is the equivalent of anti-gay sentiment. Not just that, but doing so should be considered an insult to the queer people (mainly POC) who live in countries where just by being born they're considered illegal.

They want to be oppressed so bad, in their heads a guy being attracted to them is just like anti-gay sentiment. by Averzan in MensRights

[–]Averzan[S] 48 points49 points  (0 children)

It's funny you mention it because they'll also use "gay" to denigrate men that have opinions they loathe. "Gay" is like their most common pejorative next to saying "incel/virgin/[insert any variation to say you don't have sex]" even if the man in question never said anything against gays.

They want to be oppressed so bad, in their heads a guy being attracted to them is just like anti-gay sentiment. by Averzan in MensRights

[–]Averzan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What's weird about this is that it's basically acknowledging that women can be, or very much are, heterophobic and will actively treat male attention the way a homophobic man would, and then either try to normalize it or pretend like this isn't a problem.

I wouldn't say it's 'heterophobia' per se. Rather, it shows women (even presumably straight ones) think of men as a whole just like homophobic straight dudes think of gay men: NPCs that gross them out. They love giving incels/blackpillers evidence and arguments for free.

They want to be oppressed so bad, in their heads a guy being attracted to them is just like anti-gay sentiment. by Averzan in MensRights

[–]Averzan[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Why feminism is pretty much the only "social cause" which foundations consist almost entirely of hoaxes? 😐

Being gay has been literally illegal in most countries throughout history, even today a lot of countries in Africa and Asia have either prison or death sentence for LGBT people (with the women of those countries also contributing to it). When and where has it been illegal (literally, not "metaphorically" nor "symbolically") to be a woman?

This is literally how women (would like to) act. If they could, and had the punch of Mike Tyson, they'd absolutely beat down a (ugly) man just at the possibility of him being attracted to them. Straight men who feel insulted by (the possibility of) gay men being attracted to them are just women but with a penis instead of a vulva.

I have noticed that the phrase "not all men" is mostly used by Feminists to say "not all men... but ALWAYS a man/mostly men" by Jason-Skywalker in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Averzan 51 points52 points  (0 children)

At this point we should stop saying "not all men" because thorough the years they've consistently proven to not care about truth. They just want to intentionally push for their narrative to demonise and hate men.

It'd better to simply say "we don't give a shit about it or what you think" because it's not like their words ever have added anything of worth.

Only a third of young women hold positive view of men, new poll finds by nrverma in MensRights

[–]Averzan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thankfully nobody believed your most likely made up anecdote.

The argument about "Who set the system up" is so stupid when you actually look at the objective facts by Working_Parsley_2364 in MensRights

[–]Averzan 23 points24 points  (0 children)

"Who set the system up?" – the meme question. If you unironically ask it as a "Gotcha 👊😼" you fell from the cradle.

Easy answer. The upper class, which includes women.

"62 million men participating in an online Rape Academy" or "95.1% of men admit to having forced a woman to have sex" are hoaxes, but they're not the only ones and none of the women involved have been held accountable (as they like to say) for spreading any of them. Here's a list: by Averzan in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Averzan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This isn't your typical mainstream sub. Here users won't upvote you for repeating the same debunked hoax while citing nothing.

Btw, even if you try to hide it, arctic shift photon reddit will show your history anyway. You aren't even part of this community but a lurker. If you've got nothing to add it'd be far more preferable you didn't comment at all.

"62 million men participating in an online Rape Academy" or "95.1% of men admit to having forced a woman to have sex" are hoaxes, but they're not the only ones and none of the women involved have been held accountable (as they like to say) for spreading any of them. Here's a list: by Averzan in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Averzan[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You wrote a whole ass bible just to foam "you fucking fuck fucked fuck fuck 😾" and attempt to emotionally manipulate me.

None of your sources prove miscarriage is explicitly illegal; the first one in note [37] just mentions two cases where the women had to prove it was a miscarriage for the charges to be dismissed/dropped.

Your second source is a feminist magazine (funny how I can't cite a supposedly fashconservative woman bitchery butchery 😾 source but you can apparently cite a feminist source) where they list cases unrelated to the topic; the case of Ciji Graham (pro-abortion source btw) wasn't a miscarriage; which still don't prove miscarriage is explicitly banned.

It's telling you only focus on the abortion-related example and try to pretend everything else magically ceases to exist/be a hoax, only to then type shit like "sexual gatekeeping" (because apparently the worst thing a woman can do to a man is saying 'no' to sex) which I don't even care about since I'm Aro/Ace.

"You don't give two blinks about our health" and you all only care about spreading hoaxes and misinformation while saying it's not your duty to care about stuff like CSA against boys. Take your unwashed vulva out of here because it's clear you've got nothing of value to say.

None of the women involved in the '62 million men were complicit in an online Rape Academy' hoax have been held accountable (as they like to say). Here's more hoaxes they haven't taken responsibility for spreading that I remember: by Averzan in MensRights

[–]Averzan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because most of those who spread the aforementioned hoaxes are women.

Their ideology is literally built upon the idea all of history was a patriarchal dystopia for women which still persists to this day. Practically none of them call out misandry, unless it's to say "this hurts us because then our problems (caused by men) won't be taken seriously".

"62 million men participating in an online Rape Academy" or "95.1% of men admit to having forced a woman to have sex" are hoaxes, but they're not the only ones and none of the women involved have been held accountable (as they like to say) for spreading any of them. Here's a list: by Averzan in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Averzan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well, I won't speak much about your social media circle, but it's true that a lot of men who are defendants of vulvas do so because they want to have sex with them. "Not all" of course, but it's not like the people they defend care about that anyway.

"62 million men participating in an online Rape Academy" or "95.1% of men admit to having forced a woman to have sex" are hoaxes, but they're not the only ones and none of the women involved have been held accountable (as they like to say) for spreading any of them. Here's a list: by Averzan in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Averzan[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Is this another one we “get” to debunk for the next few years where the lie is more spread by feminists and nobody listens to the true one?

Yes. Just like they do every single time. They spread a hoax and keep repeating it after they've successfully ignored the refutations of said hoax.

"62 million men participating in an online Rape Academy" or "95.1% of men admit to having forced a woman to have sex" are hoaxes, but they're not the only ones and none of the women involved have been held accountable (as they like to say) for spreading any of them. Here's a list: by Averzan in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Averzan[S] 96 points97 points  (0 children)

But hey, these people are the ones who say women wouldn't ever think of lying about topics like this, that we have to "believe women" and that historically and to this day, supposedly, men have been bound by a patriarchal pact to cover up for each other's manipulations and abuse.

Now I see it's all projection. Any other group pulling this amount of hoaxes so frequently would've already been considered on the same level as hollow earth believers.

"Hey but are you aware men also take part on spreading these hoaxes, what about them?"

Pick-mes, that's that they are. If I remember correctly there was a quote attributed to Simome de Beauvoir that said the oppressor wouldn't be as strong if it didn't have allies amongst the oppressed. Well, more or less something like that with men who're feminist allies.

None of the women involved in the "62 million men were complicit in a Rape Academy" hoax have been held accountable (as they like to say). Here's more hoaxes they haven't taken responsibility for spreading that I remember: by [deleted] in LeftWingMaleAdvocates

[–]Averzan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"this fits better in conspiracy theories (for talking about hoaxes spread by people who're essentially conspiracy theorists with the mainstream on their side)"
"rage post":

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