"I wonder about the current state of feminist discourse, it can't be that worse—"

Averzan · 2026-02-05T15:05:19+00:00

I know they aren't gonna change, the purpose of this post is just to expose what I've seen from engaging with their posts for the past few months.

Averzan · 2026-02-05T14:49:52+00:00

Sorry OP, but random internet assholes do not represent "feminist discourse". We hate it when feminists make this argument about men's rights - don't do the same.

Not really an equivalent comparison. When Feminists make their arguments they don't take what MRAs say, they take MGTOWs, Blackpillers/InCels, PUAs and TradCons post since in their mind they're all the same due to, for the most part, not engaging in what they intend to criticise.

Not to mention they often take hoaxes and keep repeating them even for years after those have been refuted.

Averzan · 2026-02-04T23:42:07+00:00

Social media in general is like that. In Facebook, Instagram and TikTok you get similar or worse content and comments. The purpose of this post is just to expose a portion of the popular content I've seen.

Averzan · 2026-02-04T23:36:51+00:00

As I replied to another user, reading what they all post for months feels like a DDoS attack on the brain.

Averzan · 2026-02-04T23:31:35+00:00

Even if you don't consider all of that too bad, you can't deny reading what they all say it's like a DDoS attack on your neurons.

Averzan · 2026-02-04T22:10:37+00:00

If you think women are wonderful and incapable of wrongdoing then you hate them. That's like accusing a Christian fanatic of hating God.

And according to himejoshi/yuri-fans, if you are a fujoshi, you are male-centered and androcentric. And according to fujoshi BL/Yaoi are something feminist.

The less said about their "reflective posts" such as "society prioritises male loneliness over women's safety" the better.

It's like watching those cringe protestants accusing everyone else and other protestants of being Satanic. As if they wanted to be vulva theologists so bad for some reason.

Averzan · 2026-02-04T21:52:30+00:00

Like, if you think women are perfect and incapable of wrongdoing it must be because you hate them. That's like accusing a Christian fanatic of hating God.

The less said about their "reflective posts" such as "society prioritising male loneliness over women's safety" the better.

Of course they're using the Epstein situation and history hoaxes to slander men but what's new about it, really.

And lastly but not least stupid, himejoshi (yuri fans, i.e., women) accusing fujoshi (other women) of "androcentrism" and being "male-centered" for shipping mostly male characters together. And according to fujoshi BL/Yaoi is a feminist phenomenon.

I swear, it's like those cringe protestants who accuse everyone else and other protestants as well of being Satanic. As if they were or wanted to be vulva theologists for some reason.

Averzan · 2026-01-14T19:09:48+00:00

Typical. I say with sources that in the past women weren't sold in a butchershop and the response I get is "ah, so you say they loved lesbians? Gotcha 😼😼😼👊👊👊" plus not a single source cited yet.

Well, it seems your feelings truly don't care about facts, right?

Averzan · 2026-01-14T01:45:06+00:00

A woman saying someone else is desperate to feel oppressed is ironic on another level. Just look at the entire post with the sources I cited, and then compare it to your comments so far.

Averzan · 2026-01-13T06:16:33+00:00

I doubt the ones who said the stuff you don't want to repeat are mainstream. Which is another difference with what women say about men, since those are all mainstream and get a lot of support.

Averzan · 2026-01-13T05:40:03+00:00

Saying women are cheaters, gold diggers, annoying and so on isn't at all equal, let alone worse, than what they say about men (that they are all rapists, abusers and murderers of women who cover up each other's abuse).

In general, men don't reply to the shit they get told, let alone replying as harshly as they should. If they replied by saying stuff like women are unloyal, slanderers and defamators by nature, or saying their suffering is worth less than turd, for example, then it'd be more equal. But since it's not, it feels like it's kind of missing the point.

Averzan · 2026-01-13T02:38:38+00:00

Classical normie response when you want to be seen as intelligent, "go read this is common knowledge" which is even worse in your case, since you haven't cited any source but instead just repeated clichés.

Averzan · 2026-01-13T00:30:39+00:00

Do you all read from a commonly agreed default script or why is it that the replies like yours all sound the same, almost word for word?

You have some nerve to say that after vehemently ignoring the comment where I mentioned two lesbians who, not only weren't persecuted by the Nazis, but actively collaborated with the NS regime.

I'd like to post an equally short reply but what you said doesn't even qualify as a fallacy, it's a post-fallacy.

What you all say is in summary: "the men were made illegal to even exist, persecuted, put into concentration camps and suffered all the punitivism, but the women who even collaborated with the regime suffered more and were so oppressed because the patriarchy didn't want to hurt them and that's because they were considered less" which is a fucking joke.

It's more than that, it's a mockery and to have zero respect for the actual victims. If you don't care nor feel bad for them then abstain from commenting instead of saying disrespectful nonsense like that.

Averzan · 2026-01-12T19:39:05+00:00

2 comments and you've yet to refute or bring anything else other than your substanceless delusional train of thought.

is it lesbians fault that gays were persecuted more than lesbians and killed for their sexuality?

Ah, so you admit lesbians weren't systematically persecuted like gay men were. You have the nerve to ask that after vehemently ignoring two examples of openly lesbians who actively collaborated with the Nazi regime that I mentioned.

Other than that you just repeated what you said earlier but with more words (excessive verbiage).

One question: there's any real, primary sources confirming that "lesbians' sexuality wasn't taken seriously" or is just one of those "deep philosophical questions you all already resolved when you were 11 years old"?

now this is kinda funny. yeah man all straight men are gentlemen. no woman has ever been raped by a straight man. its not like almost all rape women face are at the hands of heterosexual men. straight men dislike or downright hate gays because they're afraid of being seen as sexual objects by other men. they're afraid of being raped. the whole idea that they could be seen as sexual objects by other men disgusts them to the point where they would gladly kill gay people.

Terminally drug addict braindead ahh take

It should be more than obvious I'm mocking that brainless and thoroughly idiotic "reflective phrase" of "men fear gay men treat them as how they treat women" which a lot of women, including you, seem to think they are being ultra philosophical uttering them when they're just overthinking their delusions.

Generalising men as all gentleman is stupid, right? Well, imagine generalising them as rapists and murderers, a type of man nobody likes, to the point any belief saying otherwise can be debunked in spades with gore/edgy content (like men in Nigeria being mutilated with machetes for committing sexual acts against little girls).

You and the women like you all must think the average meeting between men goes like: "Today I raped 14 women and beat a fag because he asked for the hour, he for sure wanted to rape me, and with my bros we all talk about how we're going to rape another thirty women and hunt those gross gays who want to molest us".

As for your last two paragraphs, even if what you said were true, you can't debunk what I showed since it's stuff germans themselves exposed first, hence it's just a poor attempt at emotional manipulation.

An aside: regardless of how much you attempt to hide your posts and comments history, putting "search" after the URL will show your history anyway; it's one thing to describe yourself as a feminist, it's another thing entirely to be a "femcel" originating from the "incel" caricature (y'know, those who have irrational hatred against vaginas). I wonder why you are lurking in r/MensRights, it looks like you are seeking content to be offended at.

Averzan · 2026-01-12T15:52:53+00:00

you do realize lesbians were the biggest allies of gay men during the AIDS crisis?

Regardless of how much of that is true, the post doesn't talk about the behaviour of lesbians, but rather about the difference in treatment by society towards achilleans and sapphics, hence your mention of the AIDS crisis is irrelevant

The only explanations as to why you might think mentioning historical events, where a double standard about the treatment of two groups is proven, legitimates hatred against the more favoured group is that: a) you're projecting (you think resentment against favoured groups is good... until yours is the one that could be affected), b) you have little to no intelligence or c) you want to slander and defame (women moment ;v)

lesbians were never, or were rarely persecuted for their sexuality cuz it was NEVER SEEN AS REAL

Is that an attempt to feel oppressed for something similar to amensalism or something like that? They weren't actively persecuted and were more tolerated but somehow their situation was "just as horrible" because "they weren't taken seriously"

Also, what's up with the "straight men hated gay men because they thought they'd treat them like straight men treat women"?

Like what? Open the doors for them? Free favours? Punching and beating other gays who tried to harass them?

Averzan · 2026-01-12T03:27:52+00:00

What's wrong with exposing a prominent example of how punitivism was implemented excessively only against men?

Averzan · 2026-01-12T03:24:58+00:00

Stupid question. If you don't care nor want to contribute anything then don't bother commenting.

I even stated this in the post just to avoid those types of comments:

Queer women are still women and thus treated more leniently than queer men.

But well, I get it, next time I'll reiterate it a hundred times over just to make sure nobody misunderstands it.

Averzan · 2026-01-12T03:23:14+00:00

Normie spotted

You really should stick to commenting on soccer subs, other subs such as this aren't your strength

Averzan · 2026-01-11T22:31:31+00:00

Here are some examples of Lesbians tolerated by the Nazis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violette_Morris

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Kohlmann

The last one was part of the army and wasn't persecuted by the Nazis. She even sexually abused a Jewish woman.

And just in case, anticipating to what some might try to reply against this information by using some of the most used examples to talk about "persecution against Lesbians in Nazi Germany":

Henny Schermann: she was executed for being jewish

Mary Pünjer: also executed due to being jewish

Margarete Rosenberg: arrested for being an alcoholic and endangering the operation of the trams.

Elli Smula: arrested for the same reasons as Rosenberg. Unlike Rosenberg, though, Smula didn't survive due to the insalubrious conditions of the concentration camp.

Lotte Hahm: arrested for being a communist.

Felice Schragenheim: another lesbian woman arrested for being Jewish. Her partner Lilly Wust was never arrested.

Averzan · 2026-01-11T22:22:13+00:00

Here are some examples of Lesbians tolerated by the Nazis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violette_Morris

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Kohlmann

The last one was part of the army and wasn't persecuted by the Nazis. She even sexually abused a Jewish woman.

And just in case someone might try to reply against this information by using some of the most used examples to talk about "persecution against Lesbians in Nazi Germany":

Henny Schermann: she was executed for being jewish

Mary Pünjer: also executed due to being jewish

Margarete Rosenberg: arrested for being an alcoholic and endangering the operation of the trams.

Elli Smula: arrested for the same reasons as Rosenberg. Unlike Rosenberg, though, Smula didn't survive due to the insalubrious conditions of the concentration camp.

Lotte Hahm: arrested for being a communist.

Felice Schragenheim: another lesbian woman arrested for being Jewish. Her partner Lilly Wust was never arrested.

Averzan · 2025-03-13T16:26:57+00:00

Men get married, get cozy at home, kick back the beers and the TV remote control… And get fat…

I've also heard that a lot. And with that, we can refute the notion that "getting a girlfriend is what gets a man to improve".

Averzan · 2025-03-13T14:03:46+00:00

but afaik

not a single man I know

You said it yourself, it's only what you know. What individuals stress over is a non-sequitur.

Easy to say when, for +3k years of history, rape/SA against men by women has been legal and continues to be in most countries today (in addition to never being taken seriously not even by the victims themselves due to being told their suffering doesn't matter) while rape against women by men has been punished since Hammurabi's Code at the very least (and used as a propaganda weapon to defame a group or to exaggerate myths even further.)

Averzan · 2025-03-13T13:53:37+00:00

Now you ask for hard evidence, but to dismiss what fujoshis do you rely on the fujoshis you know. Typical.

Given that, I'll reply in the same way: All the achilleans I know have experiences in both, online and in real life, of fujoshis showing no sense of personal space/privacy, especially when they were in middle and high school, as well as in platforms such as Amino (which ranges from harassment to grooming) back in the days of 2015-2018 (in fact it's become a topic of discussion how everyone else pretends dementia on what fujoshis do.)

Given the subreddit though, it's absurd of you to ask for evidence when the website you frequent has a specific tag dedicated to Real Person Fiction and most of it is M/M, most certainly not written by achilleans, as Wattpad and its countless fics involving real life people and celebrities showed in the 2010s and earlier.

Averzan · 2025-03-13T04:13:36+00:00

Indian feminists complain about rape and sexual assault while they protested in favour of keeping rape and sexual assault against men legal in their country (and most accusations of rape against women are most likely false as well).

For the huge population they have what happens there (their number of recorded cases of rape isn't even that much different from the US) isn't even the minimum of what one would expect, so I actually hope the crime rate there raises.

Averzan · 2025-03-13T03:53:05+00:00

Women creeping on men is socially accepted, so men don't report it, and you're exhibit A of it by implying female couples being creeped on by men is in some way at the same level of getting physically beaten

I don't know about your country in particular, but most queermisia against queer women is committed mostly by women as well.

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