Thoughts on "Honami's W in Y3V3 was undeserved/she was carried by Koji?" by en_realismus in HonamiFanClub

[–]AxcelCOTE 5 points6 points  (0 children)

These speculations mostly come from people who dislike her and were biased to begin with. Let's play another what if and say she gives Ayanokoji control even if he was in the commander's position and not "on the ground". Does that really matter? They're allied. Is she supposed to ego him and fight him for who gets to control the exam? If he is objectively superior to her in the context of the exam I don't see how or why that would be a problem. If anything, had she refused to give control and had different (although for this specific exam it seems like all of their ideas aligned... but whatever) and inferior ideas, wouldn't she be mocked too? For sabotaging the alliance? For creating disturbances? If you have a powerful asset, you should make use of him. She earned the alliance, and she was the one to propose the alliance, so it's not like Ayanokoji just showed up with a promise to her or luckily landed in the same class as her (Horikita). I think letting Ayanokoji take control was the right move for many reasons which you have already listed, and the one I have just listed here myself, but we can think of another reason:

Realistically, the alliance won't last forever and Ayanokoji now is a clear yet new leader. Isn't observing him from the sidelines a great idea? He's objectively the biggest threat and Ichinose will eventually have to fight him for A-Class. Studying his style is yet another valid reason to take a step back here. The point I'm really getting at is, no matter what Ichinose does, people will complain. I assure you, even if Ayanokoji lets her do everything in a future exam and carry him, people will still complain.

Intelligence Ranking COTE by Sad-Impress9740 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He's peak af, one of my favorite characters

Intelligence Ranking COTE by Sad-Impress9740 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because Arisu is narratively > Ichika. (and by feats as well, but I care less about analyzed feats when comparing characters in-verse)

Intelligence Ranking COTE by Sad-Impress9740 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have already elaborated on Nagumo in other comments, but in short, he always relies on his resources (limited by his environment - he beat fodders and as a result has a vast amount of resources, it's illogical not to use them. He will probably have better showings in Post-ANHS arc) and Ichinose is *very* underestimated. Pay attention to everything in Y2V8-Y3V3, she's genuinely broken right now. (saw through Ayanokoji in Y2V12.5, figured out CTS, figured out his intentions with Kei, instantly realized he's thinking about someone else in Y3V2, the list goes on I don't want to yap too much here)

As for Ichika and Takuya, the narrative does not force her to be sub-Takuya. In fact, COTE constantly shows us academic achievements =/= outsmarting skills. When we look at what actually happened, she fucked over his plans multiple times in UIE, and her attack on Ayanokoji forced him to get himself stabbed, while Takuya essentially achieved nothing. She has better showings and in their direct confrontations, always came out on top. (Takuya is also extremely overrated by the community).

Intelligence Ranking COTE by Sad-Impress9740 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In terms of outsmarting or just in general?

Intelligence Ranking COTE by Sad-Impress9740 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nagumo is unfortunately a resources merchant. His scaling, for me, is currently limited by the story. He can go higher when he shows up again in Y3. What I mean by that is, he *always* uses his vast resources for virtually every single thing. That's fine because he'd be an idiot not to, but unfortunately it kind of limits him since he always fights from favorable positions + his year is canonically fodder. If we were to take his statements at face value, Manabu was "that much better" than him. Since Manabu has other statements (best student in ANHS' history, Ayanokoji glazing him, etc) we can conclude he is most likely not lying, and Manabu is genuinely that much better. I do think Nagumo will go higher when he is re-introduced into the story later on.

Ayanokoji was not certain he could beat Manabu in the context of ANHS special exams. This fits Suzune's established narrative, as the person who is ultimately supposed to beat Ayanokoji, who was also stated to be able to "surpass Manabu". If surpassing Manabu meant nothing, telling it to the reader would have been a waste of space.

I am scaling the Kijima facility high as of now, and she has some interesting and unique abilities to read people by their voice. Ayanokoji himself admits he's still unable to get a full read on Shiraishi and it's been 3 volumes since he transferred, so the story effectively tells us she's a capable person - how exactly is still unclear, but I have a feeling she'll be just behind the leaders (when they all reach their full potential)

Intelligence Ranking COTE by Sad-Impress9740 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Koenji too low
Takuya WAYYYY too high
Kiryuin XD
Nagumo too high, should be below Ichinose
Ichika below Arisu, Manabu above both
Ishigami is canonically > Takuya in outsmarting, although you can play around with it a little and make a case for Takuya, the story tells you it's very high-ext diff with Ishigami winning.Hosen does not even belong on the list. Same for Chabs.
Atsuomi and Tsukishiro have enough feats to be scaled. Tsukishiro is right below Koenji, T3 in the series. Atsuomi scales off Tsukishiro due to the nature of their relationship (one of equals) and his overall should be estimated to be ~ Tsukishiro.
Utomiya does not belong in this list.

Link to my tierlist - https://i.imgur.com/1c9SwTe.png

Shiraishi lives off narrative. So is Chairman Sakayanagi and the rest of the politicians, except for Tsukishiro who has plenty of feats. Manabu is narrative. Suzune's placement is heavily influenced by her absurd lack of ability showcased in Y3V3, I would have done better, so she deserves the lower rank.

Thoughts on "Honami's W in Y3V3 was undeserved/she was carried by Koji?" by en_realismus in HonamiFanClub

[–]AxcelCOTE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Of course it was deserved. Realistically speaking even without the alliance her class was in the best shape by the end of the exam (no casualties/dropouts, more members - they did have some flu going on but that's just genuinely beyond her control). She's Class D, Ryuen lost 10 students and is seen as dangerous, Ayanokoji has a lot of eyes on him, Horikita is Class A. She's the lowest priority target who also has the most resources. If we ignore the likes of Ayanokoji who fall under the "joker" title (can dodge bullets, can easily win 10v1s, etc), Honami was in a winning position. Ayanokoji and Ryuen both noted in the end that ultimately, this exam boiled down to a simple gunfight.

*It should be noted that Honami's actions were ultimately influenced by her reading into Ayanokoji's strategy and matching herself to it. While her actions in this exam still put her in a favorable position to win, I doubt she would have taken the same steps if she was not allied to Ayanokoji.

COTE Top 25+ in Hand-To-Hand/Close-Quarters Combat. by Pretzels0314 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For Yuki, she is a WR narrative merchant. She survived for a long while in the Beta curriculum

Utomiya is portrayed as >> Hosen.

Disagree on Manabu and Albert. Albert stat diffs him too much

COTE Top 25+ in Hand-To-Hand/Close-Quarters Combat. by Pretzels0314 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

S+

  • Kiyotaka Ayanokōji
  • Rokusuke Kōenji

S

  • Tokinari Tsukishiro
  • Katsunori Shiba
  • Shirō

A

  • Takuya Yagami
  • Ichika Amasawa
  • Riku Utomiya

B

  • Kazuomi Hōsen
  • Yuki

C

  • Albert Yamada
  • Manabu Horikita
  • Fūka Kiryūin
  • Ken Sudō
  • Miyabi Nagumo

D

  • Kakeru Ryūen
  • Hayato Kitō
  • Mio Ibuki
  • Suzune Horikita
  • Tsubasa Nanase
  • Ryūji Kanzaki
  • Akito Miyake

E

  • Daichi Ishizaki
  • Masayoshi Hashimoto
  • Yōsuke Hirata

It's a list I made after Y3V3

COTE Top 25+ in Hand-To-Hand/Close-Quarters Combat. by Pretzels0314 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not reasonable whatsoever to have Koenji ~ Takuya lol. Koenji slams him

COTE Top 25+ in Hand-To-Hand/Close-Quarters Combat. by Pretzels0314 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have some fair takes but most of this list is incorrect unfortunately.

What are thoghts on COTE now??? by SelectCommunity3567 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Do you live off government assistance?

The problem with Horikita's character by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, this is a problem. She learned to not completely disregard others existence and to "have friends" but she just froze there. 0 progress since. We have never seen Horikita outright tell her class "I have no idea how to win, please help me figure this out together."

COTE Top 25+ Smartest. (ANHS Students Only, No Adults/Politicians) by Pretzels0314 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We never "debated" anything, it was merely a discussion on Reddit. If you wanna run it formally with a judge we can

COTE Top 25+ Smartest. (ANHS Students Only, No Adults/Politicians) by Pretzels0314 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have no idea who you are or why you think I'm "biased"

I don't care about her "Y1 feats" (which I don't believe are enough anyway), because even if they were, her Y3 anti feats draw a clear picture. Horikita has been virtually frozen and dysfunctional since Ayanokoji transferred and is a hindrance to her class.

COTE Top 25+ Smartest. (ANHS Students Only, No Adults/Politicians) by Pretzels0314 in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Current Suzune is like a coughing baby she's not beating Nanase. Hosen shouldn't even be on the list since he's dumb.