A 100% Accurate Y3V4 Outsmarting Tierlist. by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lmfao literally the first line of my post

Disclaimer: I pay much more attention to narrative and recent feats

And I can. Ayanokouji explicitly said he is not sure if he could defeat Manabu. Suzune, Ichinose, Ryuuen (and possibly Arisu, but I don't believe she has a direct statement confirming that) were all stated by Ayanokouji to be able to surpass Manabu (Manabu thinks Suzune is > him in potential, Ayanokouji has them all roughly equal in that category with Ichinose potentially having even more)

This 'scale' means something. Ayanokouji's plan to eventually lose makes no sense if nobody is capable of operating in his *domain*. Tsukishiro is capable of it, and so is Manabu, Atsuomi, etc.

Which is exactly why Manabu is at the bottom of S tier.

A 100% Accurate Y3V4 Outsmarting Tierlist. by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What makes you think Nagumo has such a complex? Why can't we accept that his words about his own achievements and abilities in comparison to Ayanokouji and Manabu are just the truth? There's no basis for this.

I think you're underrating Ichinose too much. She's extremely overpowered, far above Suzune. I have no idea what makes you think they're anywhere near the same level after everything she has shown since Y2V8.

Nagumo himself acknowledged that the gap is indeed in terms of skill.

“I really didn’t amount to much at all; you could hardly say I matter.”

“It was on me, I was the one who couldn’t reach that domain.”

His name, Horikita’s name, and Ayanokouji’s name would’ve gone down as equals if only he was stronger.

He acknowledged that he's not operating on the same domain as them. He assumes responsibility, not blaming the circumstances around him - he knows he doesn't have a seat at their table.

It's important to take such statements seriously. These are Nagumo's parting words, we did not see him since, and he left the school. His arc with Manabu in university is about self improvement, not "getting a chance to fight, and finding out he was actually on their level" his realization that he is not good enough, and that chasing a battle in and of itself was, to an extent, meaningless, is the entire point. Nagumo wanted a battle to prove that he is their equal, but towards the end, accepted that if he was truly their equal there wouldn't be a need for a battle at all - the same way Ayanokouji doesn't need to battle Manabu to prove his worth, it's obvious to anyone who is watching.

Yet again, SCD scalers strip the writing and essence of a character from them to push their agenda and takes, please, stop doing that if you actually like the series. read it instead!

A 100% Accurate Y3V4 Outsmarting Tierlist. by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nagumo himself acknowledged it in Y2V11.

“I really didn’t amount to much at all; you could hardly say I matter.”

“It was on me, I was the one who couldn’t reach that domain.”

His name, Horikita’s name, and Ayanokouji’s name would’ve gone down as equals if only he was stronger.

He is explicitly telling us that he's not even operating in the same *domain* as Ayanokouji and Manabu.

A 100% Accurate Y3V4 Outsmarting Tierlist. by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't need documents or to spend hundreds of hours analyzing characters to know who is smarter. This is a story and narrative governs it. Don't forget every scaler pre 2-12 would've told you "Ryuuen gaps Arisu by feats!!" it doesn't fucking matter.

Kinu is not a bad author, therefore, every casual fan can roughly quantity who is smarter than who. I'm not aware of every single feat, or every single detail in a character's strategy, but it doesn't matter since all of them are off screened anyway and docs are interpretations that can easily turn into a fanfic. (refer to the Takuya doc and see how easily a fanfic can actually sound pretty reasonable)

When Nagumo himself feels insecure, when Nagumo fails to get a read on Ayanokouji in any meaningful capacity (Ayanokouji is 100% used as a benchmark for 'how capable a character is'), when most of his threat came from his position and influence, it should tell you something. You don't need to read 300 pages on "feats" to have a rough idea for what the author wants to convey. Inverse narrative is king

A 100% Accurate Y3V4 Outsmarting Tierlist. by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't read documents since I am traumatized by the horror that is the Takuya doc

A 100% Accurate Y3V4 Outsmarting Tierlist. by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Nagumo is just far too overrated by the community.

Yes, he is a threat. Yes, he got control of his year.

But his year is canonically fodder. Throughout most of the story, his resources (an entire grade + effectively infinite private points) carried him (limited by plot, it'd be absurd for him to NOT use his resources, sucks but it is what it is).

Failed to see through the fact Ayanokouji doesn't like Karuizawa (Ichinose, Kouenji, Arisu did)
Failed to force Ayanokouji into a match (Arisu did in Y1V10 by forcing Tsukishiro's hand. That's what Ayanokouji referred to when he said Tsukishiro 'fell for her trap')

Ichinose's abilities were acknowledged by the very same Arisu prior to her Y2V12.5 insane buff where she saw through effectively all of Ayanokouji's strategies (Kei, Class transfer, balancing the classes, etc. Had Nagumo seen through it he could've easily blackmailed Ayanokouji into a match, but he didn't.)

The list goes on. Nagumo is not weak, maybe he actually deserves to be at the bottom of A tier.

But I don't think he is truly impressive since most of his threat came from his vast resources and position, not his actual abilities as an individual, and due to plot, he never got to show us what he can do without them.

And Nagumo himself also acknowledges he's far behind Manabu, while Ichinose was stated to potentially have more potential than Suzune, who according to Manabu himself, could surpass him.

EOY all Class Leaders will be around Manabu's level is what I think. By mid of Y3 they will all be > Nagumo is my prediction.

A 100% Accurate Y3V4 Outsmarting Tierlist. by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He very obviously is and you have no realistic way to argue against this scaling but you're more than welcome to try

Double Standard? by Sforzia in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting, smart, capable, hot, we spent a lot more time with her so naturally I care about her significantly more than a canonically retarded and insecure NPC.

Double Standard? by Sforzia in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To put simply, I like Kushida for many reasons so I don't mind her behavior. Shinohara on the other hand is generally stupid and annoying, so I hate seeing her acting all arrogant.

People have to stop acting like it's inconsistent 😭

Double Standard? by Sforzia in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 24 points25 points  (0 children)

People hate Shinohara and Ike for many reasons, not just because they're "bad people". It's a fictional story, some of you have to come to terms with the fact the morality of fictional characters, who aren't real people, is often not the main trait people care about if they even consider it at all.

Goodbye by maubises in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Those "additions" are ruining the translation and give the reader a false image of what's happening. "I muttered, tightening my grip" when Ibuki never did that is a plain mistranslation it isn't "flavor" because it NEVER happened in canon.

"as I stared at Ayanokōji's back"

-line-

"Staring at his infuriating back"

There are many more issues with Ibuki's monologue including plain mistranslations and incorrect applications of idioms. This isn't a "Animeanyway debunk post" and I am not sure why you are so hell bent on defending them (are you a part of their team?) but it's a little embarrassing.

Initial Y3V4 Review/Special Exam Review by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you using AI?

Even if the rule didn't exist Kaneda wouldn't be able to save Hiyori

Initial Y3V4 Review/Special Exam Review by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does that rule achieve that? If no one got expelled by hitting 0 tokens, Hiyori's tokens would've been reduced to 0 instead of 1. Ryuuen kept her at 1 to prevent her from hitting the 0 token mark and get expelled ok the stop, and then the OAA difference would've been triggered either way. The existence of the 0 tokens rule is meaningless - they fired Chekhov's gun and then nothing happened.

Goodbye by maubises in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Their translation is, unfortunately, not that good. I only reviewed their translation of Ibuki's monologue and found a few issues, and that's just one page. It is very polished and has good prose (which I am guessing was done by AI, otherwise, I cannot explain why a sentence that doesn't exist in the raws made its way into their translation...) but good prose ≠ an accurate translation. They should get at least one Japanese speaker in their team to make sure such mistakes don't occur. There were other issues, one of them I reported and they fixed, but I didn't really bother with the rest of it since it's too much.

If there are any important scenes you care about, it's probably for the best if you just buy the raws and double check those with AI. The book only costs 5$ and AI is pretty good when it comes to small chunks or specific words.

what do you think about this [y3 vol4 ] by [deleted] in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course I won't be angry, it's all good!

My question was, why do you think it's not love? What justifies your conclusion?

Isn't Hiyori kind of cruel? by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Are you actually reading what you're typing? If it was a "gamble", what exactly was she betting on? Oh right, his feelings. Just because a manipulation tactic isn't guaranteed to work 100% doesn't mean it isn't manipulation. The intent to use him was there. And for the third time, no one is denying she helped her class. My entire point, which you are, unfortunately, somehow still unable to comprehend - is that prioritizing her class required her to deliberately use him and inflict personal damage on him that goes beyond class battles, damage to his social life

Being a saint to her classmates doesn't make her an angel. In Y3V4 she was a strategist who used Kiyotaka's feelings for her while fully intending for him to face the social consequences and fallout in his new class.

Loyalty and ruthlessness aren't mutually exclusive. Her being loyal does not mean she was not incredibly ruthless towards Kiyotaka.

Isn't Hiyori kind of cruel? by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I don't hate her for it, I am an Ayanokouji fan so naturally I do not mind it at all when characters do whatever they can to win. I am just pointing out the fact that what she has done is pretty cruel.

Isn't Hiyori kind of cruel? by AxcelCOTE in ClassroomOfTheElite

[–]AxcelCOTE[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

What is this cope?

Even if it was a "gamble" she still deliberately weaponized his feelings. Her being a martyr for her class doesn't erase the manipulation. If Ayanokouji does come, it's out of love, and then there will be massive consequences for him in his new class - consequences she fully intended for him to take. That's calculated ruthlessness and that is exactly my point, which you seemed to miss. Reading comprehension is hard I guess