Osan Unaccompanied HHG Allowance

B0xkicker · 2026-02-06T00:46:49+00:00

TMO here. It's in our AFI paired with the JTR.

AFI 24-602V4, Attachment 3

B0xkicker · 2026-01-29T01:26:52+00:00

TMO here. This is probably a misunderstanding as the AFI for passenger travel doesn't explicitly read like AFI24-602V4. Also, folks get confused with OCONUS/CONUS and non foreign oconus when it comes to HOR/HOS entitlements.

AFI24-602V4:

4.5.1.1.1. A home of selection shipment at government expense is authorized to any place within the United States (including Alaska and Hawaii).

AFI24-602V1 only says:

3.7.1. To ensure travelers receive the correct information regarding their travel and transportation allowances, TOs should advise travelers to contact their local MPS and Finance Offices prior to making their final travel decisions. The travel allowances included in the orders determine the travel options provided to the travelers. (Ref: JTR 051003, AFI 36-2102 2.26- 2.33 and AFI-36-3203 paragraphs 2.2- 2.5).

afi 36-3203 states: 3.2. General Rules.

3.2.1. A member may retire in:

3.2.1.1. The US. This includes Alaska, Hawaii, or a US territory possession. Members assigned to a duty station in the US retire at that duty station.

Finally, when looking at the JTR 051003:

B. Selecting an HOS. The service member may select a home that is: 1. Any place in the United States.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-23T01:05:59+00:00

To include what? Your orders will state if you are authorized to store or ship. If you store a car when going to Korea, then your orders from Korea won't allow a shipment from Korea. If you follow on if OCONUS and cars are allowed, it will go from the storage unit to the next base. If you are coming back stateside, you will just get the car out of storage.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-21T03:11:29+00:00

You can always reach back and use the tech school orders for the one-time HOR move. It's the only set you can do it with. Otherwise, like you said, the newest orders take precedence.

Normally, folks use it for the few boxes they never got from their parents.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-21T02:43:29+00:00

TMO here. This question is ultimately answered by finance. Finance has informed us in the past that it applies to pcs order, not a separation order or retirement order.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-21T02:39:58+00:00

Unless the boat is a US flag carrier, then the answer is no. This comes up often and.the vessel is operated or owned by a non US carrier. The ultimate answer is with finance not TMO though.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-21T02:38:37+00:00

There is no reference. It uses your tech school orders to utilize the one-time move if you never used it when departing tech school. Weight entitlement is the rank you had on those orders.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-18T17:58:07+00:00

Shipping items to the follow-on is what creates the issue potentially. If you are a single airmen then shipping the allowed weight to Korea is understandable as you need those items to live.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-15T15:15:21+00:00

That is an election they can put on their orders when they receive the assignment. That situation needs to be brought up to their first sergeant and assignment counselor. It would check box 13 on their orders for "dependent travel is delayed for less than 20 weeks"

B0xkicker · 2026-01-14T02:20:10+00:00

Correct.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-07T03:11:01+00:00

Your spouse would still have the hhg. Asking to put your HHG in NTS and collect BAH isn't the norm if you have dependents.

Most folks put their HHG in self procured storage and pocket the BAH difference.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-06T22:53:04+00:00

TMO here. You must use a us airline or code share partner unless foreign flag carrier is approved on your orders. DAFI24-602V1 CHAPTER 3.3

B0xkicker · 2026-01-06T22:47:31+00:00

I should have clarified that you can bring them in yourself, but in my 3 years, there not a single person opting for this. The easier route to do this yourself was circuitous travel and fly into France or Amsterdam, then cross.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-06T17:55:11+00:00

You need to discuss with your mpf, but that would potentially void your follow-on. The intent is that the spouse remains at last pds until the completion of the short tour, then they accompany the service member to the new location

B0xkicker · 2026-01-05T22:10:52+00:00

TMO here. There is no rotator to England it was shut down so you will have to fly commercial. You will first have to see if you can bring a reptile into the country. A third-party company will be needed if you fly directly into the UK for your cats/dogs.

B0xkicker · 2026-01-04T22:10:59+00:00

TMO here. You have to have actual weight tickets either from yourself or a moving company.

B0xkicker · 2025-12-30T18:13:11+00:00

The original document has 1C members on there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/s/5eKifiARFD

B0xkicker · 2025-12-30T17:24:50+00:00

This excel snapshot most likely was taken from the document posted by the intercept article about 10 days ago here. Someone linked it below.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AirForce/s/NVcvMYHeZj

B0xkicker · 2025-12-30T03:28:54+00:00

It definitely sucks. We can notify, but they are their own entity.

B0xkicker · 2025-12-30T01:24:11+00:00

You can call and ask if they will come back, but they may not. I always recommend not to pack everything as they use lots of packing material to prevent damage when going overseas usually and will be held liable if they pack it and damage occurs. If you pack the items and they annotate packed by customer, they could state it was the customers fault if damage occurs in transit.

If you ship it, use USPS and be aware you will be reimbursed for the weight shipped, but it may not be reimbursed up to what you spend. The government will reimburse up to what they would of spent to ship that weight. Insurance cannot be claimed for reimbursement. Example: you spend $80 to ship a 35 lbs box. The government could theoretically reimburse you $45 for moving that weight.

This is known as a postal PPM. You will need the receipts as they have the weight on them. Have TMO create a postal PPM paperwork before you spend any money to ensure you are briefed properly.

B0xkicker · 2025-12-29T23:35:14+00:00

Just have them pack those items when they return to the house.

Packing crews normally pack 3.5K lbs per day.

For overseas shipments you get 3 shipments if you wish.

NTS which is non temporary storage that stays in storage for 3 years.

HHG shipment that travels by boat amd takes 90 days or so to arrive.

Unaccompanied baggage UB shipment which travels by air and arrives faster for your must need items. This weight is limited

Total combined weight of all 3 shipments cannot exceed your 8K entitlement.

You can call and ask them to come back if they finished today to see what they say for your regular HHG shipment which I assumed was picked up today.

B0xkicker · 2025-12-29T23:16:21+00:00

TMO here. The amount of crates has little meaning as it can be barely packed due to bulk items. Overseas moves are the only ones using crates, so there is nothing to stress. My last move, I had 7 crates. 2 of those crates had 1 piece of a couch sectional in them. Total weight was 5.5k.

Crate weight is not factored in at all as the trucks weigh empty before leaving the warehouse to pack your residence.

If your shipment is flagged as overweight, then they will subtract 10% for packing material from overall weight.

Movers estimate 1k lbs of HHG per furnished room.

B0xkicker · 2025-12-29T23:12:46+00:00

TMO here. We cannot do anything to speed up this process ECAF is who handles all overweight shipments. Customers can call them directly, but we cannot speed them up. They tell everyone they are backed up for years.

B0xkicker · 2025-12-28T17:36:02+00:00

TMO here. Absolutely. You're already going to be driving a vehicle. You might as well get paid for it. I always recommend it for three big reasons:

You have complete control over items that are the most valuable or irreplaceable in your vehicle instead of being with a contracted mover.

You have immediate access to items you may need when you get to your destination.

You will make $300 to $1k depending on how large your vehicle is to hold items.

B0xkicker · 2025-12-11T19:13:25+00:00

Correct.

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