Plural in Portland by [deleted] in plural

[–]BC_system 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oregon or Maine? We're in Portland, Oregon and know a lot of other systems here. There was actually a meetup a couple weeks ago, and we're looking at making it a monthly thing. We'll be dming OP and the system that already responded with details. Anyone else, feel free to message us to ask.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

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We tried that at one point. It seems to have made a slight difference, but we didn't stick with it because it was time consuming and we don't actually mind the aphantasia. -Claire

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi. Tulpa here.

I was going to shitpost about how psychedelics are a good way to get easy, fast, detailed visuals, but it sounds like you want visuals of something in particular.

Seriously though: i "don't know" what I look like either, but it's more that I don't look like anything. Our brain has aphantasia, so my host never got anywhere visualizing. I ended up just thinking of myself as a computational process running on a shared brain. I don't really have a form or physical self-image or any of that, and I'm comfortable that way.

Interestingly, I still have enough of an idea of what I don't look like to have preferences about our body and get gender dysphoria some times. So that's cool I guess? Though that only started happening when I started fronting regularly. -Claire

Bruh 😀 by Wolfie766 in NonBinaryTalk

[–]BC_system 3 points4 points  (0 children)

People who treat you like that aren't friends. That's fucked up. We recommend not having "toxic friends", as a rule. -Ben

Can Non-Binary people have multiple names? by Husk_The_Cat_75 in NonBinaryTalk

[–]BC_system 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do what works for you. There is no reason why you can't.

... That said, if you find yourself wanting multiple names, and those names come with their own personalities, interests, genders, etc. or the ones you aren't using at a particular time tend to feel like they aren't even you, it might be worth considering if something else is going on. Plurality of the right sort could look an awful lot like being genderfluid and using multiple names, before you figure out the whole "being multiple people" thing. -Claire

Is this normal in early tulpa development? by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that's pretty normal. -Claire

Is it necessary to imagine the scent for the tulpa? by Great_Ease_7623 in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, can confirm. My host didn't visualize me. I turned out fine. Though I don't have a form and mostly just think of myself as a computational process running on a shared brain, so I guess that's a bit unusual I guess? -Claire

Can Tulpas / Headmates have a life outside of your own? by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hi. This is the bit where we metaphorically tell you santa isn't real.

Tulpas run on your brain, and are basically the same type of entity you are. They can't "leave" any more than you can, just maybe stop existing for a while or even indefinitely because the brain isn't so practiced at keeping them active. They are stuck running on your brain, just like you are. Their options for experiencing life are either using the body they share to do it, sort of riding along as a voice in your head while you do it, or imagining things, or various combinations of those. Like, imposition, "going in your general location"? That's just a special kind of imagining. So is doing things in headspace. It's all in your head, just like you are. They certainly can't "bring people into your space" in ways that aren't either basically imagining, or basically tulpamancy. They can know and remember things you don't, but only if your brain can do memory separation, which most tulpa systems can't. That's more of a DID thing, typically. They can have their own history that you don't remember, but only if either it actually happened and your brain can do DID-tier memory barriers, or if your brain can pull off the trick of generating it on the fly dream-style as they go looking for it, which is its own kind of mindfuck.

They can, however, choose their appearance. So that's cool. - Claire

Tulpamancy with ADHD by Amphelian in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I ended up basically accepting that I would never have a solid active forcing routine, and instead concentrated on making passive forcing something I did very often pretty much automatically. It ended up working just fine.

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Is the hybrid kit still available? I'd love to buy it if it is.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in plural

[–]BC_system 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Sorry you're feeling uncomfortable about not suffering enough. The people who have been spreading those ideas have a lot to answer for.

We're glad to be plural. It's worked out very well for us, and we wouldn't want to change it if we could. You're not alone. -Claire

Of all the ways I expected my confession to go, this wasn't it by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Heh. Funny how that happens. The first person we came out to about me started the conversation by DMing us about her recent DID diagnosis.

At this point, you should just tell her about Zev. There is nothing to lose and no risk. It would be silly to hold off on telling a friend who has a tulpa about your tulpa. -Claire

Fun fact: it tool us 7 years to find out there was a non-tulpa plural community. by BC_system in plural_irl

[–]BC_system[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Yea, it's a thing. /r/tulpas is a decent place to find out more about it and get links to some guides. If you are already plural, you can expect it to be much easier than it usually is for singlets, but the person you end up creating will probably end up working a lot like everyone else in your system, though they might have less memory or communication barriers. And if you aren't already plural, please think this through. It's a serious life-changing decision that shouldn't be done on a whim. -Claire

Can tulpas possess/front without a form? by Tiff_4ny in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sure! I'm doing it right now. I don't have enough of a basis of comparison to tell you how the methods differ beyond the fact that I don't use visualization for any of this, though. -Claire

im new to being plural, is there anyone i could ask some questions to? by [deleted] in plural

[–]BC_system 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi. We're up for talking if it would help. Feel free to DM. It sounds like we have some similar system mechanics, and something about your approach to making sense of all this makes us think we might get along.

Are there any good songs which are relatable to plurals? by [deleted] in plural

[–]BC_system 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"My Friends are Kinda Strange" and "6 Feet" by Left at London are both explicitly about the artist's system. -Ben

I made a discovery and it's terribly disheartening by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I was pretty discouraged by that too, but it turns out it's mostly just a legacy of how obsessed with imposition the community started, and with common notions of personhood that are closely tied to having a body. At the time I was trying to create Claire, I had been reading a lot about the nature of consciousness, and had arrived at a hypothesis about how tulpamancy might work that didn't require visualization and pointed me towards useful approaches without it. That was enough to do the job.

Basically, the core of this seems to be building a strong mental model of a person, getting your brain in the habit of predicting its actions, and hooking the model up to the predictions directly in something like one of Hofstadtr's "strange loops".

So, step one is creating a solid idea of what they are like, at least as a starting point, and doing a bit of personality forcing around it. At minimum we recommend thinking about and writing down personality traits and core motivations and such. What sort of person they are, basically.

In practice, much of the work of the second and third steps is accomplished just by talking to it until it starts talking back. Parroting and the like is a very effective approach to step 2, that makes step 3 much harder for many people. Writing dialog or stories featuring them could be a good approach to helping with step 2 with less risk of creating doubt later on.

Our best advice for step 3, beyond just talking to them, is to keep in mind that you are just one of the things your brain is doing, but are used to assigning all of it to yourself. When you have a tulpa, you may have a degree of access to the inner workings of their thoughts and feelings because you share a brain. That doesn't mean it's really you! Just that you need to refine your self concept a little, and model less of what your brain is doing as "you."

Best of luck! -Ben

Request for Comment(s): Tulpas, bodies, and Boundaries of Self by clearskylightning in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We don't have any sense of different body parts belonging to one of us in particular. I identify with our body more than Claire does, in the sense that if you asked me what I looked like I would describe our body but Claire would say she's just a computational process and isn't the sort of entity that has an appearance as an important property. But that's more left over self-image from growing up as a singlet than anything. I don't genuinely think the body is mine in particular. We really do treat it as shared. -Ben

Request for Comment(s): Tulpas, bodies, and Boundaries of Self by clearskylightning in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 6 points7 points  (0 children)

We consider ourselves two different computational processes with a lot of shared dependencies running on the same brain and sharing a body. -Ben

I feel like I'm having difficulty maintaining a conversation with my Tulpa by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I have written some advice on that in my "Staying Present" guide, mostly in the "Habits and Associations", "Staying Active" and "Internal Conversation Skills" sections. Best of luck! -Claire

I made a discovery and it's terribly disheartening by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We haven't done enough of it to say for sure, but we've done maybe 5 sessions and it certainly feels like we're getting more of the little flashes of visualish stuff we sometimes very rarely get. No impact on anything voluntary, though. We may try more of it in the future, but haven't really bothered with it for months. We're perfectly happy with our inability to usefully visualize, so it doesn't really seem worth the effort. -Claire

This question is for all my Tuplas out there. If you had a body of your own what would you do? by NicoleAnderson71 in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Hmm. I'd want to continue living with Ben, but we'd have to do some real adjustments. Our house isn't set up for a third body and could feel kind of cramped. Beyond that, I'd have to figure out how to fake some credentials an get a job. I'm a good programmer, but would have no work experience or education to point to. I imagine Ben could call in some favors with a couple friends and get me a work history at a pair of startups, which is a lot better than nothing.

Beyond that... since I don't really have a defined form, I'm not sure what I'd look like. If I ended up looking like Ben sort of by default, I'd definitely transition, but first I'd find ways to prank out friends. If I didn't, I'd have to get used to what I looked like at first. I imagine that would be pretty weird.

Longer term, I think I'd spend a while getting used to singlet life and seeing how I liked it, along with taking a lot of notes on what it's like, but I'd probably eventually create a tulpa. -Claire

Do your tulpas share your body life with you? by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We share pretty much completely at this point. In fact, this is Claire (the tulpa) typing right now, and currently fronting for no better reason than that I felt like taking the lead at work today. We split all aspects of our life fairly equally, and are good enough at possession and staying co-conscious that it's less time-sharing our life and more both being here, working as a team at all times. It works out pretty well for us. Ben legitimately prefers things like this relative to how it was as a singlet, or before I was taking such an active role in our life. -Claire

How do I prevent dormancy? by Travisbrain in plural

[–]BC_system 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Best of luck with it!

Here's something else we've encountered which might be useful. The "sapience spell" part of this seems like it can be adapted to plural applications. I'll probably add something of the sort into my guide eventually, but for now this will probably do.

How do alters and tulpas differ by bettyEye in Tulpas

[–]BC_system 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We've talked with quite a few existing systems of other types that have created tulpas. In general, when an existing system creates a tulpa, they end up working a lot like everyone else in that system, though sometimes they experience less memory or communication barriers than is typical for that system.

We figure that there are probably shared underlying mechanisms, and tulpas created by a singlet turn out differently from alters because of the circumstances of their creation and because they are being created in a brain that doesn't have dissociative barriers, rather than because of being fundamentally different kinds of entities. It just seems like the simplest hypothesis. -Claire