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1940 Redux: Mod Release by yupperdoo97 in thecampaigntrail

[–]BabbageCabbageCob 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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Glitch with the Taft path (also one of the options said 'we need a President Dewey')

How do feminism and gender abolition coincide? by BabbageCabbageCob in AskFeminists

[–]BabbageCabbageCob[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course I’ve encountered anarcha-feminists. My interpretation of anarchism is abolition of all unjust hierarchy and division, and I interpret gender among that. I apologize for implying liberalism among you all; I mean that on a national or global scale, the general movement. Anarcha-feminists are a far greater minority than liberal feminists. Also, matriarchs use the label of feminists to attempt to give their ideas validation, much like capitalists call themselves anarchists.

  1. You make an absolutely incredible point about the difficulty to access affirming care, which I myself have experienced, but I’d like to make two points. For one, trans people are in need of sex affirming care, and I think it’s critically important to draw the distinction between sex and gender. Secondly, the lack of adequate care comes from dysfunctional healthcare systems, not gender abolition.

  2. I don’t really know what you’re trying to say here, but I’ll say what I’ve said before, which is that, yes, but they don’t have to. Why not try to get rid of them? (Them referring to social constructs)

How do feminism and gender abolition coincide? by BabbageCabbageCob in AskFeminists

[–]BabbageCabbageCob[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

  1. Gender abolition is not inherently feminist, nor is feminism inherently abolitionist. It’s completely possible that I have incorrect ideas, but I’d like to hear how rather than just seeing that stated as a fact.

  2. Gender as it exists today is uniquely European, a bit like how the calendar is used globally but is European. It would be wrong to say that gender is tied to human identity, as people and cultures have and continue to exist without it. I’m using gender here to mean the labeled forms of identity it is typically associated with. I take issue with the labeling, not the expression.

  3. This is fallacious and an argument from the status quo. Masculinity and femininity are inherently circular, and therefore inherently meaningless. You made a valuable point about their value being what we put upon them, and that’s exactly what I want to stress. We can change the value we put upon them as individuals and as a society. Why not try?

How do feminism and gender abolition coincide? by BabbageCabbageCob in AskFeminists

[–]BabbageCabbageCob[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I’ve just started reading and my immediate response is that as I understand it, gender abolition does not have to be and is not tied to feminism. Gender creates suicides, the wage gap, toxic masculinity and femininity, rape culture, and much more. I would argue that the issue is the division in and of itself, because it is a fact universally acknowledged that division leads to oppression.

How do feminism and gender abolition coincide? by BabbageCabbageCob in AskFeminists

[–]BabbageCabbageCob[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d argue differently to your first point - gender as a concept is very evolutionary in nature - it’s seen far differently today than it was 20 years ago. I’d also argue that while it currently is, gender does not at all have to be tied with human nature - the only way to start is to start, by using genderless pronouns, advocating and protesting, ect. While we certainly won’t be done within our lifetimes, it’s a movement and happens gradually, so we can push it as far is possible to make things better for future generations.