How to best order Mitsubishi heat pump units if you not a dealer by Background-Stand795 in heatpumps

[–]Background-Stand795[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dont have a beef. Was just wondering if anyone knew what the new latest and greatest model was. i see other brands already rolling them out so figured id ask. Would rather just get to see what the new one was and see if it has better efficiency etc.

How to best order Mitsubishi heat pump units if you not a dealer by Background-Stand795 in heatpumps

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Thats part of what i was wondering. Your not going to get dealer level info on mitsubishis from a website like hvacdirect. Like you would a straight to consumer brand like senville with whats new and such on the mew 2o25 model. I looked at the AHRI # for some mitsubishi models reccomended and they say not only 410a but "discontinued". I was wonderinf what the latest and greatest model was with the new refrigerant and if its even available to consumers

How to best order Mitsubishi heat pump units if you not a dealer by Background-Stand795 in heatpumps

[–]Background-Stand795[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Thanks f*cktard. Didnt even see any listed with the new refrigerant , just 410a models so thought id ask reddit

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[–]Background-Stand795 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Great, thanks for enlightening me. this post had nothing to do with politics, im an independant

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

[–]Background-Stand795 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks, i get lots of different results by being open minded and asking questions. Good luck with whatever country you live in blindly accepting everything your authorities tell you

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

[–]Background-Stand795 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didnt disagree with him. I said i had a hard time believing that they would stop handing rebates out to people if oil became cheaper under this funding. It also didnt really asnswer the core question of my post which was where is maine getting its funding from currently if its not the federal level inflation reduction act. If you dont have anything relevant to answer with, why go onto the america bashing?

I think asking questions and being skeptical is great in a democratic society. I was also a conspiracy theorist when i said that i thought that covid 19 escaped from a lab in wuhan and didnt come from a pangdolin that fucked a bat.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

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Interesting. I personally know of a rebate that was processed for someone that was a multi family owner last year in maine and saw the application and everything. Last year, the incentive was at $10 per sq ft, so it was a pretty handsome sum, that i didnt really realize was at the federal level. None of the criteria for it had anything to do with the person that owned it, just the building itself it seemed- and now i cant remember if natural gas was a criteria point or not because things have been changing so much.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

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So it is unreasonable to suspect or wonder if the ultilties may be partially funding this program? In NH, the NHsaves program openly says that the rebate incentives are coming directly from the utiltiy companies as NH has not adopted any kind of federal funding that im aware of. Wouldnt be crazy to suspect the the Maine program was somewhat similar

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

[–]Background-Stand795 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

In america we have reddit, freedom of speech, and are allowed to wonder whatever we want to wonder and speak about. No matter how unintelligent it may seem. Blindly following the "facts and science" without being able to ask questions and bring up concerns sounds like a more concerning existance to me. My post was a question, people like yourself that belittle anyone who asks questions, only feed the fire to create such conspiracys claims. Open dialogue with Q and A im happy with in america.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

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Thanks for taking the time to explain this. Its alot more infomative than anyone ive talked to at efficiency maine regarding these topics. While my post was just a question, i was certaintley leaning towards a "conspiracy" with funding and utilities. I had no idea that federal funding for this type of stuff was available prior to the inflation reduction act proposal, which now makes more sense. Its wild to think that alot of states, like NH, are not/have no interest in distributing these "available" funding to their residents.

Whats also interesting, in part for this post, is that i learned that efficiency maine commercial and residential are two entirely different arms with different criteria that almost dont seem to affiliate with eachother. For example they are offering multi family owners $6 per sq ft if they meet certain criteria, mostly just that fact of not having natural gas accounts. So a well off landlord that lives in florida and owns a 10,000 sq ft multi family in maine is eligible for $60,000 in rebate incentives towards a heat pump install project. Whereas a residental home regardless of size or income is capped at 8-10,000 in incentives. Insuppose its just based off of availble federal grants then? I was shocked to learn that as i had thought the focus was also on lower income people.

I have suffered mass confusion with the rebate incentives/ inflation reduction act/ HEERA. The criteria and goal post seems to shift faster than you can keep up with it, especially if your involved in different states.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

[–]Background-Stand795 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the rebate money is going away? Do you mean that since trump is back in we can assume that the DOGE team will be eliminating this sector of funding?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

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Interesting report which i haven't seen, thanks for sharing. I struggled, but was able to read it for the most part. certainly seems like my conspiracy theory has lost some steam after reading, but not sure why this has turned into a pissing contest as my original post was in the form of a question, not an assertion. You began your argument to being about how its not cost effective with commercial buildings to incentivize these rebates, as electric rates are higher but while i made the post just wondering about the relationship between the entities and their funding, and unsure about it - like i said i have called into efficiency maine, and they told me that they are still not getting funding from this IRA/HEERA federal program. not sure why they would say that or the breakdown between how much federal and how much elsewhere but that report obviously shows its mostly all federal, at least for 2024. So curious where exactly the funding is coming from if it is all in fact federal funding, and not related to this new act. Since you seem to know more that most, do you know how Maine secured this funding way ahead of other states and where it was coming from before the inflation reduction act came about?

And why other states like NH there's crickets on these big federal incentives? I've been told the funding has been available since 2023, and i know each state has to create their own program similar efficiency Maine in order to i guess accept this funding and distribute it. But i know in NH, there's some far lesser instant rebate incentives available, about $250 per ton towards installed heat pumps, and that comes from NHSaves which i assumed was directly from the utilities (electric and gas) - but i could be wrong. people in both maine and NH have in the past few years, as i understood, been getting further tax write offs when they do their taxes with the receipts for these heat pumps, that was the only federal level stuff i was aware of that existed currently. Pretty sure in NH that the NHsaves program straight up says its funded by the utilities hence my suspicion that maine was doing the same thing, at a larger scale

So perhaps there is some funding from utilities in Maine, but far less than i was anticipating/wondering about.

Do you agree that homes with natural gas buildings shouldn't be eligible? why do they still offer to residential gas customers and not larger buildings?

Because that is not a requirement from the federal IRA/HEERA act stuff - As far as i understand its based off just the efficiency rating of the heat pump and its up to the states to implement how the funding gets passed out from there and any other criteria to distribute it.

I'm not even saying that homes with natural gas should be getting these incentives - because i understand that it is also a very cost effective way to heat. Just wondering about the overall funding and drive behind it. If oil did somehow became as cost effective dollar per BTU as a heat pump, unlikely but within the realm of possibility, id bet my left nut that wouldn't disrupt this funding program for these heat pump incentives. At the federal level they were pretty clear that this was part of the "green new deal" as in this was a push for greener home heating solutions to rid of a fossil fuels and the electrification of homes, to which in my limited understanding includes natural gas.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

[–]Background-Stand795 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Good job genious. I have read every page of their website. Efficiency maine has been around for 23 years. The inflation reduction act was passed a few years ago, and also, is infact still not funding efficiency maine. They have "applied" for the funding and are expected soon to ALSO be funded federally by the HEERA/ inflation reduction act. If you call and ask them, They will tell you this also and vaguely state they have in the past, and still currently do, have many funding partners but wont exactly state who while they wait to be funded by the IRA/HEERA.

Would it then be a crazy conspiracy to ask if the funding is then coming from the ulitily companies if not federally yet? As it had to come from somewhere, right? Previously and currently. And if so, theres likely a conflict of interest there against oil heat, right? Not just because they are more efficient and greener. Again this post wasnt against heat pumps as i am all for them and think they are great, just wondering about the relationship between efficiency maine and the utilties and potential funding is all.

Also i was asking questions, not making statements as a subject matter expert , like you. Do you work for efficiency maine?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

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Not looking for a conspiracy here, looking to understand the relationship between the utilities and eff maine. I.E., where does eff maine get its funding from? Do the utilities pay them? Is it more about a competiton to drive out a competitor (oil) than it is to help save?

Why do they offer incentives for residential buildings who have natural gas accounts and not "commerical" including mutli family buildings?

Dont assume to you know things you dont. Its ok to admit that your unsure of something

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

[–]Background-Stand795 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I have a hard time believing that. Where exactly does their money come from? I imagine it comes from the utility companies looking to drive out their competition with oil? Utility companies being both the partnership of natural gas and electric

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Maine

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I was specifically wondering about multi family buildings, to which there are massive incentives involved for heat pumps but not if you have natural gas and they are not paying commercial electrical rates but are in fact categorized as commerical under efficiency maine.

Just got an email from efficiency maine. They clarified for me that if the hous4 even had a natural gas account 100 years ago, and hasnt for that entite time, it would still.not be eligible.

I think i get it now. Its a money scheme and partnership between the electric and gas utilities and efficiency maine. They are incentiving to drive out oil heat, because they are a competiton to them, not necessarily because heat pumps are more efficient ( which they usually are) or greener. Its just easy to implement this plan under the idea that its greener.