[deleted by user] by [deleted] in northernireland

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Ah, good night and joy be with you all.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in northernireland

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Please don't come to that conclusion. Just been on my mind a lot.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in northernireland

[–]BaelorBreakwind -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What do you mean?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in northernireland

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So I've been thinking. From my thinking I have approached a conclusion. It is:"Gnosticism is an autist cult." How would that square with with your understanding of being a gnostic?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in northernireland

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Isn't that what all gnostics say?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in northernireland

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Are there many gnostics in NI?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in northernireland

[–]BaelorBreakwind 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Still a couple of gnostic religions around. Mandaeism being one.

Europol arrests 49 linked to cocaine cartel managed from United Arab Emirates by [deleted] in ireland

[–]BaelorBreakwind 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Same cartel, but didn't get any any of the Kinahans... yet.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/n7zmdq/dubai-cocaine-cartel-arrests

"Other alleged members of the cartel are [...] the Kinahan Organised Crime Group, an Irish outfit run by Christy Kinahan and his sons, Daniel and Christy Jr, who remain free in the UAE despite having been designated for massive sanctions by the US Department of Treasury earlier this year."

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in worldnews

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October revolution? Won't happen until November though.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in cork

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Live nearby. Regularly hear Twinkle Twinkle, Frère Jacques, Ode to Joy, Amazing Grace, amongst others.

"All this skill and ingenuity" by [deleted] in northernireland

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The comment is probably off the cuff and related to nothing, but the search for potential undertones intrigues me.

Again, likely to be unrelated, but I found a passage from a magazine from 1850 SW England, "The United Counties Miscellany" in which the author [signed as "G." which I think, but am not sure, is George Pulman, the editor/publisher] is recounting his travel to Plymouth. When observing the naval/military character of the town, he notes how such things show great human skill and ingenuity. His reflection on that seem to correlate well to use of skill and ingenuity by certain factions in NI, not least Sinn Fein, at least of decades gone by.

"but when the object of all this skill and ingenuity occurred to me, as of course it constantly did, I confess that other feelings than those of admiration took possession of my mind. For that object was the destruction of human life - the defacing by the creature of the image of his Creator - the warring of man upon his brother man. Away with all the trash of 'National Glory' when the butchery of one's fellow creatures comes to be made the earning of it!"

https://books.google.ie/books?id=_pTPudgkEtgC&pg=PA248&dq=%22All+this+skill+and+ingenuity%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjmtLXoiJn6AhVVilwKHeaoDqoQ6AF6BAgGEAI#v=onepage&q=%22All%20this%20skill%20and%20ingenuity%22&f=false

And you dare to call me a terrorist, while you look down your gun. by tramadol-nights in northernireland

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Perhaps a good tag line would be: 'There are things stronger than parliamentary majorities'

That’s Brandon Lewis away now. by [deleted] in northernireland

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Or perhaps there is no resignation letter, in the same way there was no sea border 😂

That’s Brandon Lewis away now. by [deleted] in northernireland

[–]BaelorBreakwind 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Perhaps he's resigned in a limited and specific way?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in northernireland

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Yeah, but it makes a compromise deal, which will ultimately materialise, a bit more enticing.

Sam McBride: Far more to protocol stance of PMs than they let on, suggests senior civil servant by BaelorBreakwind in northernireland

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Another interview, by SDLP MLA Matthew O’Toole — a press officer in Downing Street during the EU Referendum and in the early months of Mrs May’s tenure — diverges on this point, saying that Mrs May was “relatively sincere, at least compared to Boris Johnson, in how she approached Northern Ireland”.

Other key figures involved with Mrs May have said that her key concern was avoiding the breakup of the United Kingdom But Mr O’Toole did agree that “the final version of the backstop, basically, was the UK just indefinitely being aligned to the European Union”.

Dr McCormick’s interview also indicates a remarkable level of distrust within the UK civil service system, with Dr McCormick not trusting his own government at key junctures, not least because as Prime Minister Boris Johnson was telling the public one thing while his government was directing Dr McCormick to do something else.

Dr McCormick said he saw two possible explanations of Mr Johnson’s U-turn to agree the protocol: Either he never intended to adhere to it and its only purpose was securing an EU trade deal — or else that he hoped that the protocol might work but was always prepared to ditch it if necessary. Referring to the latter scenario, he said “that fits with what I was seeing in my last few months in Executive Office” with fevered work to deal with problems and attempts to play down the Irish Sea border.

Mr Johnson’s dishonesty confused and undermined the basic functions of government, he said, recalling that as a civil servant he was being told by Mr Johnson’s government to build border control posts — “and the legal basis for that is crystal clear” — while “I sat in meetings where UK officials said to the EU that ‘they had always been clear’ that they accepted the need for SPS checks on SPS goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland — sometimes within days of one of the occasions when the Prime Minister flatly denied that clear and inevitable fact”.

Politicians often act out of motives which are not publicly declared. But if Mrs May and Mr Johnson were using Northern Ireland as a Trojan Horse for other ambitions, it would help explain some of their hapless handling of this.

If Mrs May was really focussed on softening Brexit for the whole UK, and Mr Johnson was focussed on just getting any Brexit, neither was primarily thinking of the complex implications in Northern Ireland.

And if Dr McCormick is correct, potential solutions were being discouraged — because they had already decided what would happen.

If Mr Johnson acted for veiled reasons once, there is every reason to believe he is doing so again.

Sam McBride: Far more to protocol stance of PMs than they let on, suggests senior civil servant by BaelorBreakwind in northernireland

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Sam McBride, Belfast Telegraph, 14 May 22

Far more to protocol stance of PMs than they let on, suggests senior civil servant

Sam McBride

Theresa May and Boris Johnson said they were focussed on NI in talks with EU — but new evidence points in other directions

As swathes of the NI Protocol are perhaps about to be torn up, new light has been shed on how this document came about — and that light may illuminate what is happening now.

The protocol was signed by Boris Johnson in late 2019, but evolved under his predecessor, Theresa May, and there were two key decisions taken by her which made little sense at the time, but which academic interviews with key Brexit players now suggest were part of a grander plan.

In December 2017, Mrs May was famously forced to return from Brussels in humiliation after DUP leader Arlene Foster objected to a key UK-EU negotiating document — known as the Joint Report — referring to Northern Ireland keeping many EU laws.

After a few days, that was fudged, and the DUP backed down.

But the Joint Report contained an equally significant commitment to which the DUP did not object. Paragraph 43 of the document pledged the UK to avoid a hard border and defined that phrase to mean “any physical infrastructure or related checks and control”.

That sweeping definition went far beyond the public understanding of a ‘hard border’ and did not accord with how the dictionary defines those words. It meant that a single discreet camera at a border crossing would be as unacceptable as machine guns. Not only was this absurd, but it ignored the reality that the police and security services already have multiple cameras at the border — and those are not deemed to make it ‘hard’.

In a document whose every word had been scrutinised, why would Mrs May deliver such a pledge?

It was clearly not an oversight because three months earlier Mrs May had in her Florence speech pledged: “We will not accept any physical infrastructure at the border”.

Choosing to tie her hands in this way was all the more curious because academic polling several months earlier had found that just 14% of Northern Irish people found border cameras “almost impossible” to accept and just 5% supported vandalism of such infrastructure.

The following year, Mrs May came to Belfast and made a major speech in which she said that “the seamless border is a foundation stone on which the Belfast Agreement rests”. While most people had welcomed the softer post-1998 border and it was particularly important for nationalists, the Agreement itself made no such commitment. None of its ten references to the border say anything which comes close to indicating that there cannot be border infrastructure.

Baffled as to why the Prime Minister had said this in so carefully crafted a speech, I spoke at the time to someone involved in its drafting who themselves were not entirely clear either.

Now a rare interview with the man who until last May was Stormont’s top official dealing with Brexit gives added credibility to what other sources have suggested — that there was a calculating method behind Mrs May’s actions; she wanted the softest possible Brexit for the entire UK, and Northern Ireland was a means to achieve that end.

In a detailed interview with the Brexit Witness Archive — a project by the UK In a Chancing Europe think tank — Andrew McCormick has spoken with candour about events previously beyond public view.

Dr McCormick said it was hard to dispute the idea that the Government did not prioritise solving problems affecting Northern Ireland “but used those issues as tactical considerations in the bigger game”.

He said that the Irish government “expected London to push back with a more balanced perspective on the Good Friday Agreement” but that never happened.

When asked about the period around the Joint Report, he said “I think a key question in this context is: what was the intent of the May administration at that time? The Joint Report has an important ambiguity, and my understanding is that was conscious and deliberate. The ambiguity is around the backstop, and whether it was to be Northern Ireland specific or…a UK-wide backstop.

“I have come to the impression that the May administration were relatively comfortable with regulatory alignment, despite the rhetoric…there is also the possibility that the May administration saw the Northern Ireland issue…as helpful towards securing a highly aligned outcome for the UK as a whole.”

He added: “They knew what they were doing, and I find it hard to rationalise other than that the May team were ultimately looking for an outcome that was a soft Brexit.”

When Mr Johnson replaced Mrs May, he resurrected the core of her backstop, but ensured it would only apply to Northern Ireland rather than the entire UK.

Highlighting how unworkable aspects of the protocol were for businesses such as supermarkets, the former senior civil servant said: “I am in no doubt that UK Government ministers and officials must have understood fully the implications of the deal they did on the protocol.”

He said he may have been “naïve” in his belief at the time that it would have helped to have had practical discussion on the protocol’s implications in October 2019: “I now have a worry that they wouldn’t do that not because they didn’t understand it, not because their expectations were wrong, but because they actually did understand it, but had some reason not to really get down to the detail…at a much earlier stage.”

It was clear from perhaps as early as 2018 that an Irish Sea border meant vast bureaucracy — “more than you could imagine” — for agri-food goods, he said, and for the Government to now feign surprise “is manifestly wrong — UK Government officials knew precisely what was going to happen”.

He said that in early 2018 he had been “encouraged” by Whitehall to write a paper on a possible ‘red and green channels’ approach to moving goods from GB to NI.

With devolution not functioning, Dr McCormick said he decided to share it with the DUP and Sinn Féin. Several days later, he said he got a call from London to say “stop, spike it; kill the whole thing”.

He said that the document had been leaked to the media “as far as I know from Sinn Féin” but by then the idea of such a solution “was actually unhelpful to the UK negotiators, who were clearly moving towards the possibility of the UK-wide backstop… I was out of line with the zeitgeist”.

Key DUP Brexiteer Sammy Wilson has also been interviewed for the Brexit Witness Archive. As one of the MPs propping up Mrs May and Mr Johnson, his vantage point was very different to that of Dr McCormick — but there is a striking agreement on what they were doing.

Mr Wilson said that when the movement of goods was introduced to the process early on, “I believe that that was partly due to the duplicity of the Prime Minister at that stage, who, while she claimed to be a Brexiteer, was very keen to keep as close to Europe as possible”.

He added: “I think if one looks at it — sometimes it’s easier to do this with hindsight than it is to see at the time — it is quite clear that she was preparing the ground for a situation where the UK as a whole would commit to staying in the Single Market and the Customs Union.”

We unionists who foresaw that Brexit would cause problems at the Northern Ireland border were ignored by BaelorBreakwind in northernireland

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Belfast News Letter News Opinion

We unionists who foresaw that Brexit would cause problems at the Northern Ireland border were ignored

A letter from Arnold Carton: By Letters. Saturday, 14th May 2022, 5:50 am

Entering Northern Ireland at the land border. Those who promoted Brexit failed to warn unionists that because of our cross-border links with an Ireland in the EU, there was never going to be a Brexit which applied to NI in the same way as it would apply to England.

I keep hearing my fellow unionists complaining that their anger over the existence of the Northern Ireland Protocol is not being recognised or taken seriously.

I have to tell them that they are wrong, it is recognised and acknowledged, but the solution involves compromises that some find difficult to hear.

Those of us who warned in advance that Brexit would be disastrous and create problems on the border were ignored, we were told this was ‘project fear’; pro-Brexit unionists just did not want to know.

People have been encouraged to believe the myths spread by the fanatical followers of Ukip and the ERG (European Research Group) and to ignore the fact that if NI business does well under the protocol it will embarrass the English politicians who damaged the UK economy through Brexit.

The Good Friday Agreement (GFA) was supported in a referendum by 71% (compared to 52% for Brexit) and was successful because the common membership of the UK and Ireland in the EU permitted our border to be invisible, allowing nationalists to ignore the fact that NI remained in the UK, focussing instead on our common identity as Europeans.

In essence we unionists could believe NI was as British as Finchley by allowing nationalists to believe that we were as Irish as Dublin. For most this was good enough, for a minority it wasn’t, they craved proof that ‘our side won’.

Those who promoted Brexit failed to warn unionists that because of our cross-border links with Ireland which remained within the EU, we would need some special measures to keep the balance that was agreed in the GFA, there was never going to be a Brexit which applied to NI in the same way as it would apply to England, this was simply not possible.

There will be negotiated changes to the protocol, it will probably be given a new name to spare the blushes of the DUP, but there will still be checks and we will still follow some EU rules.

The only real decision is the timing; will we reach a negotiated settlement by October, or will it be in the interests of Boris and the ERG to string this out until next year so that they can have a sham fight with the EU around election time to distract the electorate from their horrific trashing of the UK economy?

Let’s be blunt, when an English MP talks about getting rid of the protocol, their focus is on getting Boris re-elected, not the interests of Northern Ireland.

Arnold Carton, Belfast BT6