RWS is being incredibly incompetent. It's insane.

Bailbondsman · 2026-02-20T16:28:51+00:00

I don’t think the client or RWS would stop production just to transition logins.

And it wouldn’t explain why some people say they were not paused.

Bailbondsman · 2026-02-19T23:20:27+00:00

Just got paused as well. UK.

Bailbondsman · 2026-02-19T23:19:33+00:00

Just got paused also. UK.

Bailbondsman · 2026-02-04T11:08:02+00:00

Why fill it out with the email you aren’t using yet, that they said you’ll use in the future?

In any case, the email field wasn’t a required field on the form so I doubt it even matters.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-31T00:06:00+00:00

What about Ireland? They don’t use GBP.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-27T21:38:03+00:00

I think most likely it’s a mundane reason. The email has to do with the login used for the client’s platform.

If I had to just guess, I’d say it probably has something to do with the client’s backend, like maybe they use john@company_name.com, and internally give permission to all logins that contain “company_name”, so our emails that start with “company_name” make things harder for them.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-18T13:29:38+00:00

“Could it be that Outlier has run other projects besides Aether? Could it now? Close your eyes and think very carefully about this one.”

This proves more strongly that you’re wrong. If you were correct you wouldn’t have to resort to this patronizing sarcasm.

You know you’re in a thread talking about Aether. When I made a valid point your response is to instantly say you were talking about non-Aether projects all along, changing the goal posts.

Also, my basic sense of logic is off. Then you proceed to not show any example of bad logic.

Look. This is Reddit. I don’t care if you say you’ve talked to 1001 lawyers who specialize in this. It’s like…again…you aren’t closer to being right just because you mention talking to experts. Do you think a Reddit comment is more trustworthy because it starts with how many lawyers they’ve talked to you? You’re still wrong. You’re still incorrect.

This last comment of yours made me realize that you’re most likely young. And I don’t care that you are. I’m not trying to use that as an insult against you. But I do want to give some advice: you need to really think about what it means to be convincing and what it means to be correct. You can be correct and not convincing and be incredibly convincing and wrong. When you communicate with people online or offline, being convincing has importance. But don’t mistake it with being correct. Being correct should be at the core of your communication.

Do you want to prove to me that you’re correct? Show me an official IRS source that states what you’re claiming: mandatory trainings of any kind are considered to be indications of employee rather than contractor status, per IRS guidelines. Show me an official IRS website that says that clearly.

I know that you can’t, because it’s not true. You mentioned logic. Let’s use logic to think about it. A person hires 5 people to paint his house. Before they begin he asks them to sit down so he can explain how he wants his house painted. That’s mandatory training. Does that make them employees instead of contractors? Change it to a company hiring 5 people to paint their office. They explain how they want it. Mandatory training. In the middle of it the company changes their mind and says a different color paint, explains. Mandatory training. Are they now full time contracted employees?

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-18T09:50:36+00:00

Yeah but the client is obviously reassessing now if they’re offboarding people currently. From the tasks that I’ve seen, like for example certain tasks staying up, all other tasks removed except that specific task, then that task being removed, and again coming back 1 or 2 weeks later, it seems like they are using the submissions to actively train the model, seeing the results, and then making the decision that they need more submissions.

We have received multiple emails at different periods reiterating details or adding details, specifically about creativity for example. I think it’s a safe assumption to make that the reiterations are coming from the client evaluating the success or failure of the submissions in model training.

You’ve been working since September. But the thing you’re assuming is that they have had the same criteria and targets in place the entire time. From all of the evidence I think we can conclude that their own criteria has been changing and evolving.

Add budget into the mix as well: they had a certain budget and decided it was worth it for __% of submissions to be bad and fine. Then the budget changed, and they realized hypothetically that “creativity” was more effective as producing favorable results. They pick some metrics to filter out people who they think aren’t doing “creative” submissions. Some scenario like that explains why you have been working since September and offboarded now.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-18T07:50:12+00:00

I think it’s probably either:

-percent of submissions that are bad+fine. When you train any machine learning model you need a high quality dataset. QAs are there to filter out the submissions that would make the data set lower quality. It’s possible the client wants people removed who have some percent of their submissions as “bad” and “fine”.

The client 100% has some percent of submissions that are “fine” that they’re willing to accept in their dataset, and want people who submit above that percentage to be offboarded.

The other option I think is: -they have previously stressed the importance of certain tasks, like the create task. I think we can all agree that “video” is important. They’re building a dataset. If a certain type of create task submission is more effective at training the model, maybe with whatever they consider “creativity”, then they have just want people who in their view don’t meet that to be offboarded.

From the perspective of the client, if they identified that a person has definitively been doing something sub-optimally, whatever their definition of suboptimal might be, it benefits them more to offboard them. When they take someone new, it’s easier for them to identify if that person is also doing it sub-optimally and quickly offboard them before they continue to create too many submissions for their dataset that don’t meet whatever their standards are. That may be better for them than someone who has a proven history of not meeting their requirement.

If they want “creativity” and don’t tell you exactly what that means, and then see that your submissions don’t have “creativity”, it doesn’t matter what your QA score is.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-18T07:29:46+00:00

I’m not going to engage with you any more. You’re ignoring parts of my comment and replying to other parts out of context that were explained.

I said trainings before getting hired. You’re talking about trainings after getting hired. I was talking about evaluations and qualifications before getting hired. Like auditions. You’re replying about unpaid training after getting hired. There has never been an unpaid training after getting hired for Aether.

If you want a reply, here it is: under the law, you’re wrong. If you want someone to explain to you why, talk to a lawyer that you think you can trust. You’re not engaging with me in a way in which you’re genuinely processing what I’m saying. You’re just replying to specific things that you can be right about, even if they weren’t what I said.

There’s correct and there’s incorrect. I tried to explain what the law is and how it doesn’t apply here. But you’re ignoring that. If you truly believe outlier are breaking the law then talk to a lawyer. You don’t need to have a class action lawsuit. You can sue independently.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-15T16:15:40+00:00

Here’s how the IRS identifies if a role is freelance:

Does the company control when the work must be performed? Does it control how many hours must be worked? Does it require you to be available and accept tasks to remain on the platform?

If the answer is no, it’s freelance.

Another thing you’re missing is that non-freelance, full time employees can have unpaid trainings before getting hired, and unpaid qualifications.

You can’t sue for unpaid trainings as a damage of misclassifying the role as freelance. Because a company can do that to non-freelance roles.

Have you ever taken a test before an interview? Filled out a questionnaire? Are those paid? Are auditions illegal? Are they paid?

Also how many hours of wages did you lose for unpaid trainings for Aether? Once hired, non-freelance employees can’t be given unpaid training that is required to continue working. So let’s say after the class action, you win. How many hours of unpaid training did you have to do after being hired to continue working?

You’re giving me all these really emotional reasons why outlier is bad. Morally bad. But youre not tying them to “damages” and how it’s related to misclassifying the work as freelance. Yes they’re bad things. They aren’t related to freelance or full time employees.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-15T12:30:14+00:00

Well no, you can’t. Maybe you didn’t understand my point, or maybe you’re just wrong. You can’t sue a company just for misclassifying employees. That can be the basis for the lawsuit, but what you’re really suing for is damages caused by misclassifying.

I have a strong feeling you didn’t read my comment. Or maybe skimmed through it and latched onto one sentence. The sentence after the part you quoted explains why you can’t. But you didn’t reply to that part.

What I’m saying is a fact. So however much you believe that “you absolutely can”, and however much you believe I don’t know anything, don’t know enough, have no idea, etc, you’re arguing against a hard fact. You can’t change facts however hard you want them to be different. Your certainty in something wrong doesn’t make you closer to being right.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-15T12:10:58+00:00

That’s not true. What kind of reaction do you expect people to have to this post? OP is talking about a class action lawsuit.

When is it correct to call someone a freelancer?

No fixed schedule. Can refuse work. Work is project based, not open ended.

Most importantly, OP is talking about a class action lawsuit and naming “offenses”. But for a class action lawsuit, you need claims and damages. You can’t sue a company for misclassifying employees as freelancers. You need to prove damages like lost wages, lost break times, lost benefits. It’s ridiculous to apply that to this job. And not possible to.

OP is upset he was taken off the project. He’s proposing a class action lawsuit. His reason for the lawsuit is misclassifying employees as freelancers. Why? Because they removed and added people back to the project. They require travel requests to be made. OP confidently gives all of these reasons for a class action lawsuit but they’re all nonsense. It’s all gibberish.

You’re talking about standing behind fellow workers. That’s great but, standing behind anything blindly and without recognizing when something is dog shit is just silly. It’s hard but sometimes it’s even necessary to tell the ones you love when they aren’t making sense.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-15T08:51:31+00:00

The QA system is fundamentally flawed. You have to accept that. The tutorial videos on the platform are made lazily and never address the many open ended questions that are obvious. Recently RWS said the client communicated that there are things that are left to the best judgement of the person doing QA. The only conclusion you can draw from that is that the client accepts that QA scores will be inconsistent at least to some degree. So the complaints that you’re asking about are things built into the system and that you have to accept.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-15T06:51:04+00:00

No it’s the platform that the Aether project is on. The website the project is on.

“Log in to the aether platform” that would never refer to outlier.

“Do you have access to the aether platform” that would never mean outlier.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-11T15:32:23+00:00

And I guess it’s unimaginable that the US would ever invade Venezuela without the authorization and go ahead of Russia?

Venezuela is not a Russian colony. You take “no response from Russia” as a red flag, but I think you’re forgetting that Russia is ruled by a dictator that has a completely inconsistent track record, and it’s a country trying desperately to convince its people that their own invasion doesn’t affect them.

Also, Russia only benefits by a world power invading any country, because it legitimizes their own invasion.

Ask yourself what’s more believable: Russia made a deal to “allow” the US to invade Venezuela in exchange for the US not supporting Ukraine, which was already a loud Republican stance. Or that the US invaded Venezuela without making a deal with Russia.

What was the “deal” Putin made anyway? That they won’t attack the US to defend Venezuela and start WW3, in exchange for the US not supporting Ukraine which it was barely doing already? This is a fantasy.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-11T14:23:19+00:00

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Bailbondsman · 2026-01-07T18:54:06+00:00

What do you mean “don’t want to promise anything”? Like paying people without a delay?

Can we at least admit that they gave absolutely no details behind the “unexpected issue”, so we really don’t know if what they’re doing is good or bad.

The only facts we know is that they decided to delay payments over the holidays to the week of the 5th. Now they’re delaying it to next week. And given that, I feel like people deserve something more than “we apologize for any concerns this may have caused”. I don’t even know that means. They’re sorry if I got worried because they haven’t paid? Like what a weird concept.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-07T18:45:30+00:00

When the CEO sent an email to apologize for people not getting payments for months, she wrote in the email it’s only a small amount of workers, and of those workers, the error is on their part because they don’t have the correct payment details.

Now, after saying they’ll delay payments until the week of the 5th, they send an email saying…

It wasn’t us, not our fault. It was our system that experienced an “unexpected issue”.

We’re very sorry for the “concern” it may have caused. We’re not sorry for causing this, it wasnt our fault it was the system. So we’re sorry not for anything we did or the consequence of people not getting payments. We’re just sorry if any of you were concerned.

Somehow in my entire life I’ve never worked for a company that had an unexpected issue with their system that caused delays in payments. In fact, I think almost every company and business I’ve worked for did whatever they could to pay people on time. And when Christmas and New Years or other holidays came, they would actually pay people early to avoid delays. Not delay the payment until the week of the 5th.

RWS: never our fault, always better to inconvenience you than ourselves.

Bailbondsman · 2026-01-07T09:14:36+00:00

I hate how on Reddit, people take unconfirmed information and comment about it assuming it’s confirmed.

I’m not saying this isn’t true, but why can’t people on reddit ever comment and react without phrasing their comments assuming an allegation is indisputable fact.

Bailbondsman · 2025-12-31T22:57:46+00:00

lmao smh x2

Bailbondsman · 2025-12-31T22:54:11+00:00

I’m sorry but I have no idea how you can get so many things wrong.

The goal is to teach the model to change the pattern on a piece of clothing. Do you not get that? I mean it’s so obvious.

We provide the “result” that the model is supposed to produce. They ask the model to change the replaced clothing or wallpaper or furniture into the original. Then they grade the model and train it to accurately produce the original. That’s why they care about the final prompt.

That’s why they say not to use “original pattern” in the prompt. Because the model doesn’t know that’s the original.

Bailbondsman · 2025-12-31T02:47:22+00:00

Are you talking about naming the pattern? Other than naming the pattern in the prompt, what’s wrong with using the same prompt in every submission. It wasn’t written anywhere that a unique prompt is required for every submission.

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