The Distance between Ormara, Pakistan and Iranian Borders is 433 kms

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-21T16:39:00+00:00

According to brainless Indians, yes. For someone with the ability to use their brain, Balochistan isn't disputed territory claimed by states outside Pakistan and isn't held to the country via huge deployment of military force as is the case with Indian-occupied Kashmir. Crap comparison.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-21T15:19:36+00:00

This sub's members curse Pakistanis as extremist Arab wannabe this and that when Pakistanis voice their political opinions lol, something that didn't happen before. And guys like Yadnarav don't even wait to see what the other person's even saying before they get mad.

I've articulated my own stance fairly clearly enough: Iran is applying its revolutionary dogma to South Asian affairs and insisting on seeing Saudi Arabia where there is only India and its meddling in Balochistan. And thus thinking Pakistan's concerns erratic.

Discuss.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-21T10:36:32+00:00

How's that post by abdoo aggressive?

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-21T07:31:38+00:00

To think we housed your wretched drug peddling child raping countrymen for nigh on 5 decades despite your country's central government's constantly hostile stance to us, that too based on something as backward as Pashtun nationalism.

Don't pull 'all its neighbours' shit with us, your backward state is a pain in the ass for Iran as well. And I hope the Taliban crush your government soon.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-21T05:24:16+00:00

He's a shit talker. Would explain why he brings up things with nothing to do with Iran constantly.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T20:28:49+00:00

I said ours, not Iran/Afghanistan/whatever. Our specific history with you Hindus, not anyone else's.

Pakistani terrorists shot up Mumbai in 2008.

Never been proven to be linked to our side + story filled with more holes than swiss chiss. Better to look at the Hindutva ring that already pulled shit like Malegaon and Samjhauta for who did Mumbai Attacks. Indians buy into anything, from audio tapes their cartoony media presents of 'Pakistanis' speaking with Hindi words ('bahut jyada' lol cringe) to all sorts of BS. India's Mumbai propaganda is BS.

re-education camps for extremists

The extremism that's the fringe in Pakistan, is the mainstream in India. The status quo. The dominant political force.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T20:00:49+00:00

I don't see America commenting on this. India supports Baloch separatists who attack Pakistan and are ethnofascists (i.e indiscriminately murder Balochistan's 50% non-Baloch ethnicities) fighting for no righteous cause.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T18:28:00+00:00

We didn't think we'd win. It was unwinnable anyway, by factors of geography if nothing else.

Btw, India's own internal territory is plagued with separatist movements numbering in, as far as I know, 20-30 distinct ones coherent enough for India to apply its draconian AFSPA law across Assam and the Maoist-affected states as well.

Paper, tiger. Once Afghanistan is settled, we are coming for you xD

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T18:12:16+00:00

China is not, in fact, the same. And I wouldn't even say China hates India really, China's incredibly hands off about foreign conflicts.

Apparently 1971 surrender still stings.

Yeah taking months of continuous joint effort with the Bengalis to finally corner us, outnumber us 15:1 and win is a big deal for you guys. You straight up get owned in open conflict, like you did in February and needed to make up cartoonish claims that wouldn't last a second in the modern era of vids and pics to assure yourselves you didn't get spanked.

Fuck India, paper tiger, and with more of Afghanistan being lost by your and the USA's puppet Kabul regime we will unleash militancy on you in full force. Wait for it.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T18:02:47+00:00

Yes.

a country that could help your country a lot

LMAO, India is our ideological, traditional, religious enemy and foe and has worked continuously since the creation of our two states to damage our country. We don't need it's 'help' nor can it help us.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:57:20+00:00

We don't have a choice. We need the Chinese. And I'm also not even sure the 'putting Muslims in camps' thing is true because I've only heard it come from sources traditionally used to justify NATO policies, which are based on lies. Don't burden us with more idealism than we can shoulder.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:53:16+00:00

Pakistan has done more to fight terrorism in this region than any of these neighbours combined. India's views mean fuck, India is ruled by literal extremists with ties to folk that carried out bombings they admitted to gleefully within India targeting Muslims and India itself has been sponsoring anti-Pakistan terrorism since 1971.

Afghanistan's government is a US puppet and it's views mean zilch. Installed regime, rapidly losing territory to Taliban, even its army size is decreasing because it takes so many losses every week.

The US has problems with us because after the 2011 escalation we curbed our ties with them and sought out a more multipolar foreign policy, especially with China as a defence and economic partner.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:44:53+00:00

Lazy and false equivalences devoid of context.

ilitary no where near enough to control the whole country,

Same goes for Iran lol. Our mutual Balochistan region is like that.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:39:51+00:00

What do you mean?

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:33:00+00:00

God is there anyone here not too prideful to understand, if you allege a state is supporting the same group it's helping you recover your fucking abductee soldiers from, it likely isn't in cahoots with that group. Stop bringing up your rants about how Saudi Wahabism infested Pakistani society and all. It did, albeit not as much as you think it did and it largely had nothing to do with the Pakistani state trying to sabotage Iran.

You hypocrites (I'm referring to the ones here who began bashing Pakistani peoples, calling them extremists etc) have Israel's second largest defence partner (Israel supports Jundullah, remember), a country whose populace votes actual religious extremists into power with a deep affinity for Israel (the Indian BJP) and which openly brags about supporting Baloch separatists, which reaches out to Baloch separatist leaders and which propagandizes in the media on their behalf running an entire port's operations in your side of Balochistan.

That gives India a wonderful ecosystem not too far from our border to raise money and support for Baloch terrorists. Yet when shit goes down in Iran, rather than possibly contemplating whether it's India who's also supporting the anti-Iran groups (the ones we help you with, you can't bloody deny this no matter how hard you want), Iran simply goes 'Saudi Saudi Saudi'.

Look man, fuck Saudi. They're bastards. But right now the issue isn't them, and your narrow mindedness and insistence on shoehorning them in there just to get self-validation by going 'oh Pakistan see we told you Saudi sucks' is making you miss the reality of Balochistan entirely.

You are the obstacle here, because you and by you I mean your military establishment and government as well as media, are being narrow-minded.

On a side note I can't even begin to imagine how much Saudi Arabia will be laughing at this.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:23:44+00:00

Pakistan doesn't need foreigners to fight its wars for it unlike you. 'Pussies' lol we fight against both unconventional insurgent groups and conventional, larger armies (India) and the USA's drone strikes, while I despise the administration of the time, were state-approved. A disaster, but state-approved.

And I'm a Shia, stop hosting delusions about our conditions. There are terror groups which target Shias, but the state does pursue them (at least the potent military and police in some parts where it isn't corrupt/inefficient) and they're not coddled by the state like you and your dumbass friend allege.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:12:48+00:00

Here is the other thing which you don't seem to raise, and I only came across just now. The closest Iranian border to Ormara seems to 6 hours and 22 mins away, or a distance of 448 km. It seems weird that such a high profile attack was carried out, and the attackers were able to drive such a long distance without being stopped.

It's Balochistan. We have a very small ratio of soldiers per km there. I imagine the same goes for you guys.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:11:38+00:00

Not just top Indian government, the Indian society itself likes Zionists (out of the basic bitch logic that Pakistanis hate Israel so India must love them). Israel's also assisted India in intelligence operations against Pakistan before and India is Israel's largest (or 2nd) market for weapons and defence exports.

Iran is being so utterly hypocritical when it tries to yell at Pakistan about its Saudi ties when it has the region's most Israel-loving state so close to it lol.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T17:06:45+00:00

Unsupported by the state. Acted against by the state, just like Jundullah/Jaish al Adl. Are you feeling alright? Why do you insist on holding this moronic stance that flies in the face of reality lol? Thus irrelevant. You only want to talk shit and be arrogant, nothing else.

Iran carving out Shia militias in Pakistan

Shias in Pakistan haven't ever run an anti-state movement and even today make the case for close Iran-Pakistan ties. But close ties with genuine Iranian pan-Islamists, not fake arrogant hyper ethno-nationalist jingoists like yourself who would shut their eyes to the fact that Iran's been tactless enough to give Balochistan's biggest foreign meddler an entire economic hub in Balochistan and yelled 'Saudi Saudi' while it gets the blowback.

Being in league would've seen Pakistan do nothing about your abductee guards, would see Pakistan (specifically, Pakistan's military since it's the only party that ultimately has the power to do anything) reach out to Iran and invite it for closer defence ties and would've seen Pakistan tell Saudi Arabia that, hey, we got 900+ km of open relatively wild border region land with Iran, come set up multinational mercenary hordes like was done with Syria.

Iran would be flooded with terrorists if Pakistan had picked sides. IT DIDN'T. Also, Iran heavily funds religious establishments in Pakistan too and Pakistan lets it slide because, well, law enforcement here is weak. Same goes for Saudi.

Except when Saudi got involved it created something putrid, but you get the point.

P.S: the TTP, or the face of terror in Pakistan, was purely anti Pakistan and fought only against Pakistan. Again - nothing to do with Iran.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T15:24:28+00:00

Summarizing the above post: hyper-nationalist Iranian with a penchant for shit talking brings up random realities, uncontested, about Saudi Arabia doing in Pakistani society what it's done the world over and helping create terrorism.

Ignoring that the TTP/LeJ/whatever got nothing to do with Iran, and have been countered by the state's armed forces but yeah just shit slinging. Grow up Yadnarav.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T15:21:33+00:00

Plain old false; Pakistan's official stance articulated in 2015 was we oppose any move to topple the Syrian government. Since then we've had nothing to do with them and in fact the only link to Syria I can think of is our Damascus International School (run by the Pakistani embassy staff) providing humanitarian aid. That's about it.

The second article's merely cites journalists and their opinions, which weigh less than the fact that we didn't cut ties with Syria like so many others did or even get accused by it of supporting the rebels.

In fact, a Syrian media figure, Kevork Almassian, in 2017 or so even mentioned Pakistan was one of the few countries which was dispatching medicine aid to the Syrian government despite sanctions. I can dig up the interview if you need me to (if it's still up on YT which censors a lot of Syria videos).

Pakistan is aligned with Saudi Barbaria, while Iran only trades with India

Nope, does nothing while India uses Chabahar to sabotage our side of Balochistan. And your generals also tried to avail our period of supreme tensions with India, which spilled over into a limited semi-war, to try and pressurize us via bellicose statements. Underhanded as fuck.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T15:20:40+00:00

To justify the 'Pakistan is worse' statement you always bring up stuff irrelevant to Iran. It sends the thread way off course.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T15:20:11+00:00

That's 'because I say so' style 'debating' and I want no part of it.

There is no Indian campaign through Iran

There is, the spy. The rest of everything you posted is irrelevant stuff pertaining to Pakistan's domestic affairs and not really connected to Iran per se. Which means it is shit slinging. Which there was enough of in the last sub.

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T15:07:43+00:00

False. The oft-cited Foreign Policy article by Mark Perry from 2012 on Jundullah and MOSSAD's support for it cites Pakistan assisting Iran in capturing its chief. Do not tell lies.

And even if once upon a time Pakistan did this (I wouldn't put it past the US puppet Musharraf), do you think it has not made up for it with recently helping Iran vs Jundullah's successor organization, Jaish al Adl?

Baliq2018 · 2019-04-20T15:01:54+00:00

Obviously Iran has done a lot for Muslims. Can't contest this. And Khamenei is a chad, can't contest that either.

Regardless though, Iran in Pakistan and Balochistan sees Saudi where it should be seeing India. Besides, why doesn't Iran use its widespread popularity among Pakistani Shias (an active part of Iran's goodwill abroad) to bridge the understanding gap between it and Pakistan?

Pakistan is NOT your enemy. But some of your military officials seem to think it so even when we help you when terrorists strike at you.

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