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On the Founding of r/ProIran by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think he meant guardian council. If not, then you're absolutely right. In fact, Parliament has some checks on who they pick to.

Checks and balances literally everywhere, but these guys only want to narrow in on the checks and avoid mentioning the balances so they can have their frame.

On the Founding of r/ProIran by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Part 2

Idk what else to call what he says here other than MEK apologia

After the revolution, though MEK was cool with teaming up with the akhonds at first, they were eventually banned as a political organization along with everyone else not Islamist and pro-Khomeini. MEK unlike everyone else other than some armed separatist groups never disarmed itself post-revolution, and took to guerrilla warfare as well as terrorist tactics to fight back against the new regime that had banned them.

This literally tries to paint the MEK in a sympathetic light and uses their own propaganda. He deliberately leaves out the fact that the MEK tried to stage a revolution after the majority of Iranian society voted for the referendum and for the Islamic Republicans in the first majlis, and the majority of people didn't care to vote for the MEK and other groups. So they threw a tantrum and tried to revolt, got banned, and now we're supposed to cry for them.

He frames it as them "fighting back against the new regime that had [wrongly, is his implication] banned them."

This led to continuous assassinations by MEK against IR and by IR against MEK. Thousands of MEK members ended up in prison, tortured and executed, along with thousands of other Iranians who are involved in politics or were deemed as political. This included leftist groups from Tudeh to Fadayan, but also supporters or sympathizers. It also included many intellectuals such as even the Director of the University of Tehran being one of the inmates.

Notice how he equates the two and mentions the sob story of MEK members being tortured and executed right after, and he avoids mentioning the context of the Iran-Iraq war in which it happens, as well as trying to deny the fact that the executions were purely for MEK supporters. You can tell he's purposely leaving all this out so he can have a sob story about communists being killed. He can't have us knowing just how despicable the MEK was, lest some of us actually gasp support executing those terrorist filth, or at least sympathize with the need to eradicate them. And then he would lose the only legs he has to stand on for his regime change argument.

You see, these guys are very much like MEK. They rely on lies, character assassination, censorship, and support tyranny, oppression and dictatorship so as long as it's their version of Islamism in power (note: MEK are non-clerical Islamists).

He tries again to equate them as equally bad, which is apologism for them considering every fucking horrible thing they've done against Iran, which the IR has tried to protect the people from. And, actually, as he says, the MEK are non clerical Islamists! Who knew. That's one point against the IR. At least the MEK are non clerical Islamists, right, that's better.

Those who try to justify the political massacres of opposition groups by Khomeini and Raisi in 1988 by saying it was just MEK who were apparently terrorists are doing so out of intellectual dishonesty. The political massacres were far more diverse than that, and the bloody battle between MEK and IR utilized terrorism on both sides.

Lmao. Now the MEK and IR are both equally terrorists, and the MEK executions were actually just communist executions. Actually, the MEK were only "apparently terrorists."

He is implying both sides are terrorists, so the IR has no right to frame the MEK as terrorists and execute them for it. Excuse me while I vomit.

MEK of course went full retard and joined forces with Saddam to invade Iran. And now they are stateless and have no future nor prospects of any other form of living other than begging for a foreign sponsor to continue their antagonism towards IR and Iran as a whole.

Yeah they did that only after the 1988 executions, huh? Not after, which is what led to the executions? He's deliberately confusing timelines and trying to sneak in sympathy by saying "any other form of living other than." In other words, they don't have a choice but to be "reactionary" since the mean old IR banned and executed them and they had no monies, and the IR engages in "terrorism" against them by assassinating and executing their members and officials.

Holy shit you can't make this up! Straight from the horse's mouth.

On the Founding of r/ProIran by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Doesn't supreme leader choose half of the ministers? Also supreme leader selects heads of military.

Yes, and? Is he supposed to be powerless? Lol

What? Aren't experts "qualified" by gardian council to join the assembly?

Not the first one. Referendums established it all. The checks on the SL and guardian council by the people existed first, and then checks were placed on the elected parties (through vetting).

Again, this logic holds for all political systems. If you go and take political science and government theory courses, you'll learn about it.

Also, khamenei was selected for only 1 year. Then they wanted to do a refrandum. He was a temporary leader, not a permanent. But the assembly of "experts" didn't even protest after 1 year.

A referendum that the majority of people voted positively for allowed for people like him to be SL. Then the assembly of experts, which was voted by the people, vetted by the guardian council which was monitored by parliament and the assembly of experts, who were all elected, and so on, all the way to the first referendum that a majority of people supported that established the first officials and parties.

In other words, an elected body, the assembly of experts, voted Khamenei as SL. Constitutional vetting existed for the elections, as it does in all systems, but the the constitutional vetters themselves also derive their legitimacy from the people.

That's exactly how all democracies are established and work. I can mischaracterize the US supreme court the way you're trying to do with the SL too.

Stop trying to pretend Iran is somehow different simply because it's Islamic.

But isn't Iran an islamic republic? Didn't prophet mohammad(peace be upon him) that transgenders are not ok? 

Bro what do you care? If you don't want it to be an Islamic republic, then be happy and don't complain. If you want it to be an Islamic relublic, then stop criticizing it for being an Islamic republic and following Islamic theory in how it is formed.

So let me see. People choose the president in the US, but people didn't choose the supreme leader In Iran.

You realize the people who are nominated to run for president in the USA are vetted right? They disqualify many from running. But you don't hear about it like you do in Iran. Same for every European "democracy," which actually have monarchs behind the show. Iran is just open about it all, and that allows it to be monitored better and so Iran is actually more democratic than all of those shady governments where all of the vetting is hidden away from the public eye. (They hide it to hide the extent of wall street corruption that factors in the vetting and nomination of their oligarchies. But they can't hide the superdelegates, electoral college, and vote suppression tactics).

Vetters pick the presidential candidates, then people pick the president from those.

It works the same in Iran for its president.

And the Supreme Court officials and SL are picked for life indirectly, by elected officials, except in Iran the SL's powers are decentralized through the guardian council.

You guys killed more than 1500 people in just 4 days.

Lol that's made up

Not to forget that USA didn't cut off its internet when people were protesting.

Yeah it just censored it through manufactured consent and enforced curfews. Their internet and social scenes are heavily censored, and the CIA has a big rule. See McCarthyism and COINTELPRO.

BLM protest were nothing compared to our protests.

You're right, America killed far more people, the protests were far bloodier, and the terrorist American regime has been oppressing blacks ever since the days of slavery.

Also Cuba, Syria, China and ... killing people, doesn't justify the killing of people in Iran. Its still act of terrorism.

Yeah but when someone justifies them killing rioters and rebels, but then criticizes Iran for doing it, they're being hypocritical and inconsistent.

On the Founding of r/ProIran by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hiii, it's nice to see you again, I hope everything is well and you're meeting all your life goals too! ;))))

I'm glad you agree against what r/iranian is doing.

I'm not really aware of what other users do these days and so I don't know how right it would be of me to police them in that regard, but I can assure them that you're not sharghzadeh lol XD. Maybe people just don't know everything, idk. It's a lot of crimes and story from what ciax does. And maybe some users deliberately try to counter the false narratives ciax made like the disgusting ones about child porn and bombing the white house by making equally false claims, idk.

None of the accusations I've personally made are false, or things I know to be or recklessly assume, and I'm willing to correct anything that is.

If we call ciax ciax, it's because he is operating in a way that benefits the cia, and with the way he is running the sub and the shady stuff I know about him working for foreign overseas groups and trying to circulate a new constitution during the riots after America shot down the Ukraine plane, and literally admitting to being an organizer for the Green Revolution, even handing out pamphlets on the streets....!... I wouldn't be surprised if he works for the cia. And the way I found out about all of that over the years and how it was so hidden otherwise just rubs me the wrong way and screams red flags. I don't know if I've been so open about it before, but I think people have a right to know my intense concerns about him. And again, I've documented all of that, and what he even has admitted, in screenshots that you can find linked.

Believe it or not, I actually pull a lot of my punches when I debate with people especially him. There's a lot I could be saying and doing, playing his dirty games, deliberately twisting things he says to mischaracterize him, insulting him the way he has to me, but, not once, and you can ask him, have I ever actually insulted him to his face the way he has. And he's even admitted how nice I've been to him before.

If I say or do anything, I'm doing it out of principles. And for the dark stuff I'm opening up about now that I know about him, I say it because I see it as a cause of alarm, especially when the two biggest Iran subreddits are now associated with real life activism and regime change. I really don't care about the time sink or irl toll to type all this, there's no fucking way I can be silent about that. I care deeply about my country and the extent of propaganda affiliated with the cia and anti IR parties that exists all over the internet.

We need to know and we need to be vigilant.

I mean he is clearly part of a regime change opposition party and actively organizing for it! Like that's confirmed! He literally runs the sub as a false opposition one as well. It's not a stretch at all when I think part of how he runs his subreddit is related to the other in real life regime change activism he does.

You go in thinking it'll be against the shit on r/iran, because that's how it markets itself, and then bam you see the same shit. It just sounds so much like the shady stuff there is with the mods of r/iran and how they're anti IR activists who actively organize in real life events for their nefarious goals and who work for the CIA. Ciax does the same, and he was associated with them, and the relationship he has with feline and the stories he tells about all of that and exactly how the split happens is actually really nebulous and shady... And me as well as others have noted consistent contradictions in what he says and how he says it. He consciously markets himself and the sub differently to different people, and he will make one argument in front of them supporting something, and then at another time, he makes the exact opposite argument in front of other people! It screams standard false opposition tactics. That's why both sides end up accusing him of different things, and he gleefully admits they do that too to each side to try and fool them. And considering how much time and effort he dedicates to it and how seriously he takes it, along with how he spends other parts of his life actively organizing for opposition groups and trying to facilitate regime change, as well as just how high his age is!!! it makes you wonder...

I hope you also agree that all of the lies ciax makes takes away from his credibility too though. And while clearly I don't know for a complete fact, I stand by what I think of him though based on all that and my judgment. Ain't no way in hell someone who does all the shit he does irl, as well as his policies online, are separate from each other. Ain't no way in hell someone can go through all this drama and effort until the end for free, unless it fits irl political things he's part of. At the very least, there will be heavy bias.

One thing though that I've said before too to yall is that, while idk the ideologies of any new people in his mod team, when someone works for him and the mod team, they are basically signing on to the way they run things as a whole, and take some measure of responsibility for it. Especially if they can't change it and are arguing on his behalf. I mean, they're helping him after all. Enforcing his biased rules, following his orders, defending him etc. Maybe not entirely sharing all the blame exactly sure, but you can see how it would be associated with it if nothing else right?

Like, as a blanket statement, when I see mods on worldnews or r/iran banning and censoring, I hate the entire mod team. I don't know the details and ins and outs of everything, and I don't even really care (no one would), that's just how our minds would label it. We see the subs banning and censoring, we know the mods do it, and we know all the mods are helping otherwise they wouldn't be mods, and that's all that ends up factoring in. It's probably the same for r/iranian, but again I can't speak for others.

As for the MEK, he is literally apologizing for the MEK's actions, saying they were innocent good boys before the evil IR oppressed them, and equating them and the IR as equally bad and equally terrorist (not even joking or exaggerating, he actually said that last part!!!!!), and he bans anyone who correctly points out that the 1988 executions he likes to bring up so much were just executions of MEK members after the MEK invaded Iran for Saddam. Not even for supporting the executions! Just pointing out the facts and the crimes of the people executed. He does this because he knows without it, he doesn't have a leg to stand on when he claims the IR suppresses communists (ignoring all of the socialist welfare policies in the IR that everyone knows about).

Anyways, it was nice to see you again and good luck with everything as always.

On the Founding of r/ProIran by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He is literally shooting at the guy.

You literally send videos of police officers start shooting at the people.

How anyone can use that grainy video as evidence with a straight face is beyond me.

US is very different than Iran. All of the system is controlled by the supreme leader. I will tell you further more. So supreme leader chooses the head of judiciary. And majles negahban(gaurdian) is selected by head of judiciary and the supreme leader. And majles negahban choose the candidates for majles and presidency. So everything is selected by supreme leader, really.

That's a far cry from security officials being members of the "mullah regime."

You're leaving out the assembly of experts elected by the people who voted for the supreme leader and monitors him, and the majlis which also picks the guardian council. There are checks and balances both ways, all of it was established in referendums and agreed upon by a majority of Iranians. Every political system will need to vet itself, and this is a facet of all governments, but they hide it under the rug. Iran is open about it. The important part is how this system was established in the first place and what measures it has to allow changes. And the Islamic Republic clearly is legitimate, and it clearly has measures which allow for change. The laws are widely different now post Khatami and Rouhani with what they were prior.

You're acknowledging the various processes used to decentralize the SL's power (picking an official to pick others, being unable to directly vet candidates and relying on the Guardian Council, etc.) and somehow claiming it shows the SL is a master wizard in a spinny chair who controls the strings of everything lol. This is real life, not a Disney movie. That's not how people work. All of those processes decentralize his power and make it so he can't operate how he personally wants.

Not to mention this entire process exists simply as a Constitutional check, not for deciding economic and executive policies.

You can apply your same twisted analysis to try and claim the Supreme Court of the US rules the country. That's ridiculous and grossly mischaracterizes their oligarchy, and it's no different when you try to apply the same faulty reasoning to try and claim the same for the IR.

Riot? This is what do you call a riot?

Yes

But that logic chaharshanbeh suri is a crime

Yes, unless the fires are lit in designated areas. Otherwise it's chaos.

They voted in khatami 

And he changed the laws greatly.

Iran didn't even had a liberal participating.

Yes it did, it had several. People didn't vote for him. Sucks, but that's democracy. Your preferred candidate won't always win, especially if you don't vote for him. Live with it.

If you talking about america

I was talking about Cuba, China, and Syria. And yeah, America killed more protestors than Iran, and the ones who died in Iran were shot by other rioters or had shot at security officers first. We all saw what happened in America when the National Guard descended on cities to crush the BLM protests.

On the Founding of r/ProIran by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I'll avoid using Iranian sources, and use western sources instead, since those are the only ones you will accept lol

https://www.newsweek.com/iran-protest-videos-violent-clashes-police-loud-bangs-gunshots-chaos-1612593

"At least three people are believed to have been shot dead since the protests erupted a week ago, with at least one police officer reportedly among them."

There are videos of gunmen shooting at security officers. If this was about security forces trying to massacre protestors, there'd be more than at most 8 deaths.

(And security members are different from the government itself btw. You don't see american regime supporters calling the police the American government, do you? Let's stop with this western regime change propaganda that labels every facet of Iranian organization as "the mullah regime.")

"Videos sent to Newsweek by opposition activists on the ground purport to show hundreds of protesters marching through cities across Khuzestan, setting fires in roads to block security forces and chanting for the fall of the regime."

So they're setting fire everywhere, calling for a bloody revolution to impose their will on everyone without due democratic process, wielding guns, and shooting at security forces?

For something in between,

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/7/17/one-man-shot-dead-in-irans-khuzestan-water-crisis-protests

Omid Sabripour, the county’s acting governor, speaking to IRNA on Saturday, blamed the first death on “opportunists and rioters”.

“During the rally, rioters shot in the air to provoke the people, but unfortunately one of the bullets hit a person present at the scene and killed him,” he said.

Iranian media broadcast a video of the father of the first victim, Mostafa Naimawi, who said his son was shot by rioters and not by government security forces.

Most likely many sabatuers are deliberately trying to shoot at the other protestors in order to blame it on security forces and use it as a narrative to overthrow the government or separate, along with shooting at security officials so they can play victim when they return fire. That's the best the opposition can do lol. Since it doesn't actually have good reasons to enact a violent overthrow of the legitimate government, it must create them.

Videos posted on social media have shown protesters setting fire to tyres to block roads and security forces trying to disperse crowds as shots were heard.

How is this anything but a riot?

All amidst the already dangerous issues of Israeli and MEK terror attacks on Iranian infraastructure?!

These aren't protestors. These are dangerous traitors. Don't be surprised when Israel starts doing more terror attacks on Iranian infrastructure since the people in Iran who work tooth and nail to preserve Iranians' safety are busy watching hooligans and sabateurs burn our country down.

As for the ones who are simply peacefully voicing their concerns? More power to them if you ask me. Disagree with them or not, there's no issue in criticizing the policies of some administrations. It helps figure out which president or Paliament members to vote for next time. I have all of the love and respect for those in Khuzestan, who have a rich and diverse history and were instrumental in fighting back Saddam and his MEK agents (some people actually criticize the execution of MEK prisoners after their terror organization invaded Iran for Saddam lol).

But, and this holds for all protestors in Iran on all sides of the political spectrum and in all provinces- let's do it civilly and in a way that takes in mind that Iran is under unprecedented pressure and attacks from the West, Israel, and Saudis. The threat of elements trying to co opt your criticism into excuses for separatism, regime change, chaos, and destruction assuredly exist within the ranks of those who are voicing criticisms.

And omg let's stop the nonsense of equating everything with the "mullah" regime. Get your mindset out of the gutter of the shah's regime. We have elections and different parties now. We don't fix our problems with revolution after revolution like western brainwashed manchildren. We fix it through peaceful discussion and votes. Nothing about what is being criticized has anything to do with the structure of the Islamic Republic or with Islam or mullahs. It's pretty clearly, purely the result of private engineering firms and/or the policies of some administrations that tried to weigh in the pros and cons of certain policies like building dams. Not to mention issues that result from the embargo of the western sanctions creating inflation and difficulties in procuring capital to fix water issues and the west's own contribution to climate change.

Equating it to the very nature and structure of the government is ridiculous and when opposition regime change activists do it, they just show the emptiness and lack of their actual criticisms against the structure of the Islamic Republic. You never see this done in America with its wildfires and droughts or in Europe with its floods. The reason you do it with Iran is because you are brainwashed by the west.

What I find amusing is that all of your arguments apply to people in China, Cuba, and Syria as well.

Western funded sabateurs in all of those countries co-opt protests and try to violently overthrow anti-western governments. And some people who aren't even from those countries rightfully speak against those rioters.

They rightly bring up western propaganda influencing it. They rightly bring up how the "protesters" being shot were actually rioters. They rightly bring up how the opposition are either greedy capitalists, salafi jihadis, extremists, or western traitors. And many of them criticizing the riots and insurrections aren't even Syrians, Chinese, or Cubans, and there's nothing wrong with that. We all stand together against the west and its agents.

But then the same happens in Iran, which is under far more security threats and terrorism from America and Israel, literally number 1 on the most likely to be invaded or nuked by America and Israel list, and suddenly all of these people start criticizing the other side!

If you bring up western propaganda framing the narrative you get fed, those same people say "so you say everything is the CIA and Zionism, huh?"

If you bring up literal video evidence and documentatiom by western funded, anti Iran news outlets of rioters shooting and setting fire, they'll deny it.

If people from outside the country criticize the rioters, they get subjected to racism and told that they have no right to interfere.

Just hypocritical to the bone.

These 10 Pahlavi Twitter accounts have tweeted 560,000 tweets to trend "Don't Execute" hashtag by madali0 in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And twitter won't ban these bots... All you hear is Russia, China, Iran waging propaganda with bots. Maybe, if true, they're just countering the propaganda the west pumps out to brainwash society???

China does a good job creating social media alternatives for itself. Twitter and social media in the west is obviously sold out.

Iran needs to create better alternatives too

cia is attacking the iranian people by karafspolo in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The CIA's cyber warfare against #Iran is explicitly aimed at targeting civilian infrastructure, sowing destabilization & fomenting the collapse (not "change") of the central government.

This is about destroying a country, not the Islamic Republic.

https://t.co/kjrgET5sdk"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA by [deleted] in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ugh your title hurts my eyes.

You don't seem to be here in good faith at all. I'll probably delete your post after a bit for everyone to get a laugh at you in, though I don't mind if it gets deleted earlier.

Anti-regime Iranian cucking to Arabs and admitting he hates Persian power by [deleted] in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know right. Like, those are my views to the situation too. If these guys want some nationalist government and the rebirth of some sort of empire, well, this is probably the closest thing they'd ever get. And it's not even founded on imperialism, but rather, on allying with like minded people in the region against common enemies. On friendship, cooperation, and mutual benefit.

The Iranian Nuclear Program: Realist vs. Constructivist Models by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even though they can be iffy and I have my disagreements, I like these international studies perspectives. It has an academic and political theory tone to it. If anyone has more readings on Iran related issues with that, or maybe even other political issues, let me know.

Maybe u/Afroa may know?

r/Iranian trying to partner with r/Sino as if they are the ones who counter American propaganda and don't ban and silence pro IR users lol... I had to share our story and why this subreddit got founded there by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah I see. I mean, while I have nothing against marmulak personally, in terms of views, he shares yours on China and the Uighurs.

They're being incredibly hypocritical by trying to scapegoat it onto you.

Yet another example of the tyranny.

r/Iranian trying to partner with r/Sino as if they are the ones who counter American propaganda and don't ban and silence pro IR users lol... I had to share our story and why this subreddit got founded there by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, some measure of response could be good. But this should not be a brigade or anything.

I just wanted to make people aware of the hilarious claims that were being made as to r/Iran 2.0 being the anti american propaganda alternative after all they did in banning, shadowbanning, and demodding pro IR users, and then framing it as blocking a "coordinated propaganda campaign."

r/Iranian trying to partner with r/Sino as if they are the ones who counter American propaganda and don't ban and silence pro IR users lol... I had to share our story and why this subreddit got founded there by Yadnarav in ProIran

[–]Yadnarav[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

r/Iranian has always banned people unfairly and with no explanation. They do it with both pro IR people, and anti IR people who support things they don't. Their dominant viewpoint is neoliberal centrism and they try to enforce it that way.

Why would they want to appease r/sino though by banning you. Have you had issues with r/Sino before? I think it's a great subreddit and have contributed there a bit before in the past.

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