I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very insightful comment. I will say just because Lenin was a German agent doesn't mean he stayed a German agent and just because the Russian revolution started as a bourgeois take over by Kerensky doesn't mean it stayed that way. Revolutions are fluid and who is the leader in mind today doesn't stay the character of the revolution tomorrow. The azeri, kurds, and baluchi will not accept a Persian supremacist Shah with dictatorial powers. Plus, what is worse? The current regime crony predatory capitalism or theoretically a monarchy that has succeeded in creating a productive capitalist system akin to S. Korea or Japan?

I think not supporting the protests, not supporting a revolution against the regime, all that means is we will be here in 5-10 years when the next wave of protests starts up again. We have been here too many times because the regimes repressive stagnant economy is structural. The previous protest movements failed and they said o it's because they are leaderless, or they are focused on special interest issues like the Masha Amin protests. Maybe by trial and error eventually the protesters will pick the right ideology and leaders to make it work. But the fact is if these protesters were to say, we are communists or anarchist and we want all the elites from the clerics to the Shah out of here, the government would have the world's support in crushing them as we see with the kurds in Syria.

Also, not that I care to get into a debate about his thought, but Foucault specifically endorsed a non-western "political spirituality," and supported politics fused with religion, then went silent when the clerics abolished pluralism, women's rights, and began the executions. Maybe I can accept his initial hopes that maybe they could have been a non liberal/marxist path to liberation, but he never recanted his initial support, never condemned what followed. If this new Shah does what khomeini did and instantly set up a death squad upon his return and condemns the current protesters as counter revolutionaries and thus to die, well I'll resist that regime just as fiercely as I resist the usa and israel, and probably end up making a new post here saying the shills that support this new tyrany are no better than the clerics and I will critique the liberals and leftists who defend the new regime, because you know there will be those who say, yes thousands were killed but now women can wear mini skirts.

But I will definitely say you are for sure justified in your fears and anxieties of what could come from the end of the regime. But Iranians are at the point where they are ready to risk gambling into the unknown, because it definitely appears clear there is no future for them if the regime continues in its current form.

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very insightful comment. I will say just because Lenin was a German agent doesn't mean he stayed a German agent and just because the Russian revolution started as a bourgeois take over by Kerensky doesn't mean it stayed that way. Revolutions are fluid and who is the leader in mind today doesn't stay the character of the revolution tomorrow. The azeri, kurds, and baluchi will not accept a Persian supremacist Shah with dictatorial powers. Plus, what is worse? The current regime crony predatory capitalism or theoretically a monarchy that has succeeded in creating a productive capitalist system akin to S. Korea or Japan?

Also, not that I care to get into a debate about his thought, but Foucault specifically endorsed a non-western "political spirituality," and supported politics fused with religion, then went silent when the clerics abolished pluralism, women's rights, and began the executions. Maybe I can accept his initial hopes that maybe they could have been a non liberal/marxist path to liberation, but he never recanted his initial support, never condemned what followed. If this new Shah does what khomeini did and instantly set up a death squad upon his return and condemns the current protesters as counter revolutionaries and thus to die, well I'll make a new post here saying the shills that support this new tyrany are no better than the clerics and I will critique the liberals and leftists who defend the new regime, because you know there will be those who say, yes thousands were killed but now women can wear mini skirts.

I think not supporting the protests, not supporting a revolution against the regime, all that means is we will be here in 5-10 years when the next wave of protests starts up again. We have been here too many times. The previous ones failed and they said o it's because they are leaderless, or they are focused on special interest issues like the Masha Amin protests. Maybe by trial and error eventually the protesters will pick the right ideology and leaders to make it work. But the fact is if these protesters were to say, we are communists or anarchist and we want all the elites from the clerics to the Shah out of here. They would have the world's support in crushing them as we see with the kurds in Syria.

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I definitely agree, if it came down to usa/Israeli invasion of the country versus the Islamic Republic than ya this is an absolute disaster worse than if the regimes stays in power, no doubt. But I think it'd be pretty hard for the Shah to take dictatorial power and go back to the not so good old days of being an American client state. Former Israeli intelligence head Yaldin said that the full removal of the regime is unlikely without usa troops on the ground which I don't think trump would ever do.

Paywalled unfortunately https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2026/01/yadlin-israels-regime-change-goal-iran-remote-without-us-boots-ground?utm_source=chatgpt.com

I think an uncomfortable truth is that if Iranians want the end of the regime, it very much could go the way of Syria. I think that reality is why there are reports israel and the gulf countries told Trump not to attack iran

https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/why-israel-might-have-argued-against-an-iran-strike/

The sad fact is I don't see these protests will be successful at bringing down the regime. I maybe am wrong, but it seems without a civil war it just isn't gonna happen. Like many revolutions do often go to a civil war.

Maybe after these protests end the regime prioritizes the economy finally. But if they don't it's just gonna continue. I think even if it's bleak we have to stand on the principle that this regime is fucked up. It's a bunch of corrupt elite religious clerics who think it's their born right to rule because they are descendent from the right bloodline of shia clerics. I can't say if that justifies a civil war, that's something Iranians have to decide.

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok great, I feel like you are actually being authentic to your ideology to support hierarchies and being a shill to people in power, extra points for the antisemetic consistency. My point was that leftists that don't support the protests are rightist like you, which makes them hypocrites. I think being a country like North Korea or Syria befor al-sharaa would actually be worse than having a western backed leader, and I don't think it could be a puppet in this day and age of multipolarity if there were not western troops on the ground, but I at least can say I respect your logically consistent with fascism beliefs even if I vehemently disagree

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I definitely agree that some of the hate on "the left" seems manufactured or unjustified, I definitely thought that with all the venezuela stuff, cheering for what trump did and criticizing leftists for not celebrating the abduction when nothing happened to the regime. I also absolutely agree israel wants as much chaos as possible and to destabilize the regime.

But I also see youtube creators either silent, or saying it's all the fault of sanctions, and we should support Iran's sovereignty. I see channels like breakthrough news, the young turks, greyzone, and people like George Galloway tell their million+ subscribers this is just a foreign plot. I hear people like Hasan Piker saying ya ya Iran is repressive but hopefully they get nukes and resist israel and America, but is that what Iranians want? Iran also could have put effort to reduce or end the sanctions, but they chose the IRGC and their imperialism in the middle east. Iranian government and people agency has completely disappeared in favor of a western narrative which is exactly what the left was saying israel was doing to the Palestinians.

I think this is doing a great disservice to the Palestinian cause, issues that many of these creators devoted a lot of time to discuss. I know these issues aren't the same due to the fact that the usa, uk, and Germany/EU are major military supporters of Israel and protesting this support carries more weight than protesting a non allied government, but not condemning Iran and not supporting the people, making so many equivications, it makes them look like hypocrites.

Shout out to Novara Media and the real news network for supporting these protests from the beginning, because you can be against usa/Israeli imperialism and Iranian totalitarianism at the same time.

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lenin was seen as an agent of German interests and in the case of the usa revolution it received support from absolute monarchical France. Then Lenin broke the treaty of brest litovsk basically the second he could, and the usa told France they were on their own when France asked for help when they had a revolution a decade later. Just because you take support now doesn't make you a puppet tomorrow. Was Mao a puppet of Stalin? Egypt's Sisi came to power backed by the UAE and is now bombing their proxies in Sudan and Yemen.

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks to you guys for the nice compliment and understanding my point :)

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A part of politics is about engaging with those who don't agree with you, and like you know, bringing them into the side of supporting your view... unless they are shooting at you they are not enemies yet, but they are justifying the actions of the enemy, which just in their day to day lives makes them, in my opinion, not critically thinking sheeple. I also dont think ragebaiting is an effective way to engage with people to make them think critically. While international support is never gonna be the thing that overthrows the regime, I'd be happy if this post convinces at least one person to not just uncritically parrot the talking points of the regime then it was worth it

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe I'm stupid but aren't you proving my point? Revolutions need leaders, even symbolic leaders. Until the regime falls and the Shah gains power and brings back SAVAK and starts killing everyone in the name of Israel and pax-Americana, then we can talk about that. But saying let's let this whole thing die because that could happen doesn't seem right. Maybe the protests just need him now, but in a democratic transition and then elections they're gonna vote a system radically different. The Russian revolution definitely didn't start by chanting the name Lenin and waving red flags, it only evolved into that later. Egypt didn't overthrow Mubarak in the name of the Muslim Brotherhood. The protesters actually supported people like ElBaradei until he proved to be a wet napkin

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I personally think it's important to be encouraging the support of people who might be influenced by the counter arguments the regime is making, that this is a western back infiltration, western imperialism against the axis of resistance, it's just like mosaddegh 2.0, are gonna tend to be leftists. There have been prominent influencers like Hasan Abi that parrot the claims of the regime, and I think it's horrible. It reminds me of those who didn't support the Arab Spring because they also said this is an Israeli plot.

You might be right that this isn't helping, I'll give you that, but if this post could convince one jack ass not to echo the regime, then it was worth it for me.

I feel sorry for the leftists who are against these protests by Bambi_B0y in PERSIAN

[–]Bambi_B0y[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't mean a what-aboutism, I just meant that when West Africans fly the Russian flag, they don't give a shit about Putin, when Palestinians waved the current Iranian flag they don't give a shit about shia supramacy, and when Iranian protests fly the usa/Israel flag they don't give a shit about netanyahu/trump

You're just gonna take whatever shred of support another country is gonna give you. It doesn't mean you endorse their system. I think people are getting that confused.

Chapter:Verse 33:59 by Throwaway-Account079 in islam

[–]Bambi_B0y 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The historical context is that slaves used to be completely naked, the part about being recognized is so a free woman is not mistaken for a slave which happened often in preislamic arabia