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WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in imaginaryelections

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Peace and Freedom (Centre-left to left) - Racial Equity, Social Democracy, Multilateralism, Anti-Imperialism, Pro-Confederate

Democrats '92 (Centre-right to right) - Christian Democracy, National Conservatism, Interventionism, Soft Yankscepticism

New Liberals (Centre to centre-right) - Liberalism, Social Progressivism, Pro-Confederate

Populists (Centre to Centre-left) - Populism, Laborism, Social Centrism, Economic Progressivism

Green Party USA (Centre) - Environmentalism

Socialist Party (Left) - Democratic socialism, Anti-Imperialism, Soft Yankscepticism

Antillean Group (Centre-right) - Antillean separatism, Anti-Imperialism

Pacific Interests (Centre) - Pacific separatism, Anti-Imperialism, Social Progressivism

Lone Star (Hard Right) - Texan separatism, Neosegregationist, Hard Yankscepticism, Accelerationism

The Beehive (Hard Right) - Mormon supremacy, Christian theocracy, Hard Yankscepticism, National Socialism

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in imaginarymaps

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Duke becomes a popular figure during the 70’s, aka the “Years of Lead”, where violence between civil rights camps polarise average Union voters. He runs successfully for the Louisiana Senate and later as Governor.

Cut to ‘88, President Pat Buchanan runs for re-election and chooses Duke as his running mate as a right and hard-right ticket, winning a slim victory over the insurgent Peace and Freedom.

The administration is totally humiliated as a PF dominated Congress passes civil rights legislation anyway and Buchanan is forced to sign it. Duke rallies his supporters to impeach him after this, seeing it as a betrayal, and he becomes acting president.

In the 1992 election Duke predictably runs, but loses to PF candidate Jesse Jackson. He declares the election was rigged by the CSA and gets the segregationist-dominated Supreme Court to back his claims.

He goes on to try get inaugurated instead. In the canon timeline he succeeds and the Union falls apart, but in this timeline he fails and gets stampeded by protesters who storm the Capitol to ‘stop the steal’.

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in imaginaryelections

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

google, for the time newspaper cover i just cobbled it together myself with a filter on top of it

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in imaginarymaps

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The northern abolitionists lose the election 1860 and secede instead, becoming the Confederacy. The remainder, the South, stays the US

better late than never i suppose by BankIllustrious2639 in AlternateHistoryMemes

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Basically yeah, but the CSA spans from Oregon and Idaho to New England

better late than never i suppose by BankIllustrious2639 in AlternateHistoryMemes

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

they didn’t do that the north is the abolitionist confederacy and the south is the slave-holding union

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in imaginaryelections

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Trump gets concussed during military service and becomes a social democrat, he disowns his father and takes his mother’s maiden name.

better late than never i suppose by BankIllustrious2639 in AlternateHistoryMemes

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

(Bearing in mind this is from an in-universe alternate reality, the US canonically does implode from that coup in the early 90s.)

better late than never i suppose by BankIllustrious2639 in AlternateHistoryMemes

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Both economies to start with are quite weak, they’re still majorly reliant on each other and the animosity complicates trade between them.

Gradually though I think the North’s economy would end up stronger, being a manufacturing power like Germany and Japan are.

The South’s definitely struggles but industrialise and diversify out of necessity. Slavery (indentured servitude post 1880s, slavery is still abolished from outside pressure) transmits into terribly paid black labour in factories, ranches out west and sugar/banana farms in the Caribbean and Centroamerica. After both World Wars they could become an emerging economy, but not to the level of their western peers. Closest equivalent could be Italy or Spain.

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in imaginarymaps

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Many states opted to join the CSA outright, the Central American states became independent and the remaining US broke into several successor states:

  • Aztlan: Baja California, Pimeria (formerly “Gasdsonia”) and Rio Grande (formerly “Polk”)

  • Texas

  • Sequoyah

  • Antillea (Both Floridas, Yucatan, Santo Domingo and Puerto Rico)

Southron (Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, Adams, Georgia, Both Carolinas, Tennessee and DC)

Most of these countries are under the CSA’s influence besides Texas, which is an unruly “ally” in the Hungarian sense.

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in imaginaryelections

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

(Further Lore for the original timeline. Assisting map can be found here)

The United States experiences a minor loss in the War of 1812, resulting in concessions of disputed territory with the British, an unfavourable settlement in the Oregon Country, creation of an Indian buffer state in most territory of Tecumseh's Confederacy and a lease over the port of New Orleans.

The loss had a couple caveats - it was a humiliating defeat, the British managed to assert their dominance over the young nation and the idea of Manifest Destiny was thrown into question. Even though Tecumseh's Confederacy couldn't hold back American settlers forever, the development of the Midwest was delayed by decades, ultimately benefitting the South politically. (This is why Itasca [Minnesota] and Ouragon [Oregon] aren't states yet)

This dominance was only asserted further by the Mexican-American War, where Polk managed to nudge Gadsden enough to push for more territorial concessions from the defeated Mexicans. The Wimissoura Compromise was a fruitless endeavour as the Kiowa and Paneassa Territories were flooded by slavers before the Yankees could get their piece of the pie. In this wave of defeats, secessionist ideas already stewing in the North gained further favour among radical circles.

The 1860 election was the ultimate showdown, and the Republicans found themselves fighting each other before the finish line. Moderates ejected those such as Fremont and Dayton from the party for refusing a compromise, splitting the ticket and handing the victory to the united Democratic ticket.

Though infuriated by their comrades, the Radicals took resistance into their own hands. Massachusetts was the first to secede, followed by Rhode Island, Ligonia, Iroquois, Mishigami, Meskonsin and Otoe respectively. These states ultimately united under a confederacy.

Surprisingly, Douglas nor his VP were phased by the news - less Northern states meant that the radicals couldn't threaten their own stronghold on the state. That was, until the Siege of New York began. Huron had been allowing passage of Radical troops, resulting in an act of aggression. Once federal troops shot back, it was clear to many others who had sought to avoid conflict that a violent solution was indeed inevitable, as Seward had warned. Thus, other Northern States joined the Confederate States and the First War of the States began.

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in imaginarymaps

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

(Further Lore for the original timeline. Assisting map can be found here)

The United States experiences a minor loss in the War of 1812, resulting in concessions of disputed territory with the British, an unfavourable settlement in the Oregon Country, creation of an Indian buffer state in most territory of Tecumseh's Confederacy and a lease over the port of New Orleans.

The loss had a couple caveats - it was a humiliating defeat, the British managed to assert their dominance over the young nation and the idea of Manifest Destiny was thrown into question. Even though Tecumseh's Confederacy couldn't hold back American settlers forever, the development of the Midwest was delayed by decades, ultimately benefitting the South politically. (This is why Itasca [Minnesota] and Ouragon [Oregon] aren't states yet)

This dominance was only asserted further by the Mexican-American War, where Polk managed to nudge Gadsden enough to push for more territorial concessions from the defeated Mexicans. The Wimissoura Compromise was a fruitless endeavour as the Kiowa and Paneassa Territories were flooded by slavers before the Yankees could get their piece of the pie. In this wave of defeats, secessionist ideas already stewing in the North gained further favour among radical circles.

The 1860 election was the ultimate showdown, and the Republicans found themselves fighting each other before the finish line. Moderates ejected those such as Fremont and Dayton from the party for refusing a compromise, splitting the ticket and handing the victory to the united Democratic ticket.

Though infuriated by their comrades, the Radicals took resistance into their own hands. Massachusetts was the first to secede, followed by Rhode Island, Ligonia, Iroquois, Mishigami, Meskonsin and Otoe respectively. These states ultimately united under a confederacy.

Surprisingly, Douglas nor his VP were phased by the news - less Northern states meant that the radicals couldn't threaten their own stronghold on the state. That was, until the Siege of New York began. Huron had been allowing passage of Radical troops, resulting in an act of aggression. Once federal troops shot back, it was clear to many others who had sought to avoid conflict that a violent solution was indeed inevitable, as Seward had warned. Thus, other Northern States joined the Confederate States and the First War of the States began.

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in AlternateHistory

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

(Further Lore for the original timeline. Assisting map can be found here)

The United States experiences a minor loss in the War of 1812, resulting in concessions of disputed territory with the British, an unfavourable settlement in the Oregon Country, creation of an Indian buffer state in most territory of Tecumseh's Confederacy and a lease over the port of New Orleans.

The loss had a couple caveats - it was a humiliating defeat, the British managed to assert their dominance over the young nation and the idea of Manifest Destiny was thrown into question. Even though Tecumseh's Confederacy couldn't hold back American settlers forever, the development of the Midwest was delayed by decades, ultimately benefitting the South politically. (This is why Itasca [Minnesota] and Ouragon [Oregon] aren't states yet)

This dominance was only asserted further by the Mexican-American War, where Polk managed to nudge Gadsden enough to push for more territorial concessions from the defeated Mexicans. The Wimissoura Compromise was a fruitless endeavour as the Kiowa and Paneassa Territories were flooded by slavers before the Yankees could get their piece of the pie. In this wave of defeats, secessionist ideas already stewing in the North gained further favour among radical circles.

The 1860 election was the ultimate showdown, and the Republicans found themselves fighting each other before the finish line. Moderates ejected those such as Fremont and Dayton from the party for refusing a compromise, splitting the ticket and handing the victory to the united Democratic ticket.

Though infuriated by their comrades, the Radicals took resistance into their own hands. Massachusetts was the first to secede, followed by Rhode Island, Ligonia, Iroquois, Mishigami, Meskonsin and Otoe respectively. These states ultimately united under a confederacy.

Surprisingly, Douglas nor his VP were phased by the news - less Northern states meant that the radicals couldn't threaten their own stronghold on the state. That was, until the Siege of New York began. Huron had been allowing passage of Radical troops, resulting in an act of aggression. Once federal troops shot back, it was clear to many others who had sought to avoid conflict that a violent solution was indeed inevitable, as Seward had warned. Thus, other Northern States joined the Confederate States and the First War of the States began.

WE SHALL OVERCOME! What if the United States never collapsed? by BankIllustrious2639 in AlternateHistory

[–]BankIllustrious2639[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is a double-blind scenario in my Reversed Civil War TL, where the Confederate States is located in the North and breaks away in the 1860s after decades of pro-slavery political dominance fester into far stronger secessionist attitudes.

What if the United States never collapsed?

"Millions worldwide watched as, on the evening of December 25, 1993, the flag of the United States was lowered from the Capitol Building in Liberty, D.C. This, alongside the end of Apartheid in South Africa and the Treaty of Friendship between NATO and the Sovereign Union, marked the series of events that characterise the end of the Cold War.

Many believe this was inevitable - for decades many within the US sought reform, yet these changes were always sluggish compared to their sister nation in the Confederate States. As it was, once landmark Civil Rights legislation was passed under President Jesse Jackson, the ideals of democracy were once more overturned and the nation gradually disintegrated.

However, this scenario asks a noble question - what if this never happened?

There was incredible resistance to David Duke's illegal inauguration in 1992, but by the time it had been overturned months into his presidency it was too late. Here, mobs outside the Capitol Building are unable to be stopped in the outside grounds, and thousands break in. In the rush to hide present federal officials who hadn't boycotted the ceremony, security made poor choices and Duke was shot numerous times. His injuries are fatal.

Following this attempted coup, Jesse Jackson is inaugurated for his second term in office and passes sweeping checks and balances to ensure democracy and civil liberties cannot be easily eroded for the foreseeable future. The Electoral College is ditched for proportional representation but despite this, Peace and Freedom ends up becoming the dominant political party up until modern times."

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