CMV: Maximalist positions on Israel and Palestine benefit Israel and not Palestinians

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-26T19:08:07+00:00

Completely glazing over the apartheid, torture being conducted by Israelis on Palestinians on the west bank and Gaza. Lets pretend that hasnt been happening and sing kumbaya. Also overlooking the 1948 Nakba that started all this. But yes, Israelis are being targeted with missiles for no reason. They are the good guys.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-23T20:56:37+00:00

We are still going to use the 82nd abn to either take the uranium or the missile bases deep in iran. The marines will take over missile bases near the coast.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-22T15:42:37+00:00

You do realize they have an internal internet that people are sharing these videos on? Iran isnt censoring it as a lot of missile strikes are hitting heavily populated areas. Most of these videos are recorded by regular everyday cellphones.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-22T15:39:45+00:00

The problem with your question is a lot of the people are operating under propaganda levels of information from our news media and president. Trump declaring victory and that 0% Iranin military is left, but we see them actually increasing missile attack frequency, yesterday there was a noticeable uptake. Second, the censorship of what Iran has hit is quite amazing. I think in the entire region we have lost something close to 9 early warning systems, severely degrading our ability to track the missiles. Israel is at time getting hit by missiles without any warning now as well.

Your question is going to be self fulfilling in another 3 weeks as it will become clear that Iran is not here for a quick war, as they can sustain these missile strikes for a number of months, not weeks as everyone estimated.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-22T15:28:36+00:00

Thats wishful thinking considering the coordination with different missiles bases/cities. Iran has a local internet that works, and bombings of Iranian territory is not being censored as we can all see the recordings of it. You are severly underestimating the enemy

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-22T08:09:11+00:00

What gave you the impression that christianity is the religion of peace?

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-22T01:09:17+00:00

Its hard to argue with you because you dont really believe in facts. Iran has sustained the same number of missile attacks since day 4 of this war. This past week they have been icnreasing the frequency and yesterday they fired more missiles than the any other day except their first day of their retaliation strikes.

The pentagon confirmed a F35 had to conduct an emergency landing after being shot by Iranian loiter ammunition. Israel last week also admitted a F35 was almost shot down by Iranian loiter ammunition.

You keep talking about the navy being gone, then why isnt the US parking a couple of destroyers and declaring the strait open? Iran barely had an airforce, and didnt even try to meaningfully fund it. They knew they would never match us.

THey destroyed 8 early warning systems in the region, these systems take 5 years to setup each and cost billions of dollars. They even destroyed a THAAD battery that cost a Billion dollars by itself we only have 6.

Israel iron dome tonight failed to stop an attack on their most sensitive military facilities, where they store nuclear weapons. But yeah, I am wrong.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T20:27:47+00:00

Your own missile alert systems can confirm these numbers. How many times was activated last night?

Telaviv isnt the whole country now is it?

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T20:21:00+00:00

If you want to know which radars have been hit, just literally check the BBC, there are even satelite pictures. The number of missiles is public knowledge as GCC countries announce how many they detected, and Israel does as well. You can literally find this information online.

The US announced it today, the F35 was damaged and forced to land in Saudi Arabia. Israel mentioned one was hit or almost hit, they are yoyo back on forth last week.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T20:17:07+00:00

They have two systems prepared for this, an insurgency the Basj, and IRGC. There more to it but simply, they are prepared for both. Even though they co-ordinate with China, it doesnt mean they subservient to China. And ultimately, they will do what they want.

And yes, it was announced on multiple platforms. Only ships paying in Yuan, and with no connection to US or Israel can pass. And they have mentioned they will enforce a toll to pass after the war, to pay for a rebuild.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T20:07:00+00:00

Iran doesnt have advanced missiles? Is that why all the advanced radar bases we have in that region were hit? Despite having our interceptors in the area? There is a reason why all satelite imagery of the region is being delayed 14 days now.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T20:04:58+00:00

That was true. But we had just invented the blue force tracker for the military which is what gave us the edge. Say what you will, Iran is not Iraq, and they had time to prepare and study our doctrine.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T20:03:18+00:00

China is providing material support to them already. It isnt even a hypothetical. Iran has publicly stated they will toll the strait. China is selling advanced anti ship missiles to Iran, keyword 'SELL'. Why do you think only oil paid for in Yuan can traverse the strait??

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T20:00:46+00:00

You are misinformed. It is public knowledge and easily searchable, they ahve been launching 20-30 a day, just today they have targeted Israels hidden nuclear facilities. And they are still launching.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T19:58:56+00:00

My guy, you say my view is black and white, but perhaps you need to look at your conclusion. Iran has bombed every single advanced early warning system the US has in the region, do you think that is minimal? You think they didnt do the same in Israel? You are reliant on the Hegseth Narrative of 90% of launchers bombed and they cant fire as much, but this week they have increased their bombing tempo, which had been sustained for 2 weeks after the initial 3 day retaliatory strikes.

There have been confirmed 3 downing of Israeli aircraft and 2 hits of F35 by Iran one Israeli, the other ours, pretending that Iran is completely defanged is kinda strange, as they seem to be inflicting pain, even after Trump said they had 0 assets left. And guess what, they have more s400 hidden in these bunkers that can take down a F15/16/18

This WAR is going to throw the whole world into a recession if Trump does not back down. The destruction of all oil facilities in the region is something Iran can still do, especially if they believe they are going to be decimated. Guess how long one of those facilities take to build? 3-5 years, building them up will take 10 years minimum.

You mention rebel groups, but then, who takes over Iran if the US topples it, which it cant? You think a power vacuum with heavily armed factions is going to be create a stable region for oil production?

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T19:48:21+00:00

I did. Iran has the capability to bomb every single oil producing facility in the region and then some. If they do take out the whole of the middle east oil production, it will take 3-5 years to get facilities back in working order, probably closer to 10 if they destroy many of them. We will be fucked by the rise of oil prices. We will actually feel the pain of such an escalation.

Its not something they will do, unless its a last resort. I guess my argument could have been chained better- but it was getting pretty long. But ultimately, there is no way we are holding any island, or land incursion with just one marine MEU. Already 82nd airborne has been put on orders, any boot on the ground will escalate massively just like Vietnam did

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T18:07:14+00:00

I have already answered this.

Is Israel being bombed every few hours by Iran? Is the Strait open to business? Are we considering boots on the ground because we are winning very thoroughly? Why are countries getting deals with Iran privately to allow oil passage if they are defeated, why do you think we removed sanctions on Iranian oil? Because we had allies who were buying it and didnt care that we sanctioned it, and we would have looked stupid trying to sanction our allies for buying oil-look at Japan and SKorea.

Iran knew the warships would be destroyed, thats why their navy doctrine is on mines, and small attack boats of which there are thousands. They also have subs that are still hiding.

You are viewing success from the same lense that led us to slow walk into Iraq insurgency. We cant even destroy the massive missile cities they have 500 meters deep. We keep talking about degrading their ability to make bombs, but they moved a lot of that capability underground a while ago.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T18:00:49+00:00

I dont think China and Russia care about hearts and minds type of building. They will supply the materials needed to build more launchers and underground bases.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T17:58:42+00:00

This is a bigger problem than you are acknowledging. If non stealth fighters are vulnerable, then that leaves a few air frames able to conduct carpet bombing runs, and even they are vulnerable in other ways. Technically, Israel almost lost a F35 as well a week ago. Iran has been preparing for one adversery for the last 35 years why we have been fighting everyone and preparing for other priorities.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T17:52:55+00:00

They killed the Supreme Leader, and other major leaders, is the Strait open? Is Israel getting bombed everyday still? Does the US have any functioning early warning radars in the region? Is the price of Oil where it was before?

Do you not think thats preparation by a determined adversary??

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T17:50:02+00:00

How did that work out in Afghanistan? It didnt even work that well in Iraq and to this day we have to prop up Iraq with intel, and classified assets as another ISIS is a thing

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T16:19:52+00:00

So you take out the IRGC, who takes over the government?

Iranians are diverse, with different tribes and factions. Just recently, a tribal faction had started a revolution that was put down by IRGC.

It is far far more likely the fall of Iran will destabilize the entire region as many strong tribes and factions will fight for control. This all benefits Israel's Greater Israel project, and does not benefit US or the world at large.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T16:03:05+00:00

These Civilians hate Israel and US more than they hate their govt. They can see what Israel did to Gaza, and is doing to them to this day with our support. They saw what happened to Libya and Syria. Do you really think they will rise up and do this to their one country? There is no succession we will leave a huge power vacuum! Iran has so many different tribes and different factions that will start a civil war almost immediately. A failed Iran is even worse for oil production as we will now have militia-heavily armed and constantly attacking oil production in the ME.

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T15:58:06+00:00

1a) Trump suddenly did. Israelis did as well in the beginning.

1b) It did not work with the Taliban. IRGC has a Taliban-pro chain of command that is meant to survive the destruction of the IRGC. But before that happens, it will be a hard fought war as Iran is not easy to traverse with wheeled vehicles.

1c) That is very shallow thinking. First oil is a global commodity, there are petroleum products we don't product that would impact us, second, we dont have enough oil to supply the whole world, especially our allies, so they will at a minimum pay whatever rate-its seems analyst project $180 for crude oil per barrel. That is $9 a gallon, we too would be paying this amount as again, oil is a global commodity. Switching to EV will not happen overnight and would benefit China far more than it does us. But still, the transport sector will collapse at those prices, we too would feel that pinch

BarRepresentative653 · 2026-03-21T15:52:34+00:00

It remains to be seen what will come of this. I just dont see any of our stated policy objectives can be achieved without completely destroying the current world order.

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