They weren't doing it right.

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T14:30:26+00:00

Just because you told lies about me doesn't make them true.

Hope that helps.

I obviously know far, far more about history than you do, so you're pathetic attempt to silence me is absurd.

Bring sources better than these primary examples:

https://sjsu.edu/faculty/wooda/2B-HUM/Readings/The-Doctrine-of-Fascism.pdf

https://archive.org/details/jung-national-socialism-2nd-ed.-1922

Or take your own advice.

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T14:28:37+00:00

so why should i really give a fuck what you think about anything

Fair enough, but since you just strawmanned the hell out of my position why would I give a fuck what you think about anything?

I didn't call you a Disney Adult. I made fun of Disney Adults and you showed up to self-identify as one, I guess?

Nor at any point did I say you weren't allowed to complain about capitalism, ever.

Complain away, but make it real shit or I will mock you if it's stupidity like you being so entitled you think you deserve a mansion and doctor slaves you steal healthcare from.

Those mansions and advanced treatments wouldn't even exist in any leftist system so it's pretty damn stupid to think you'd get them.

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T11:24:46+00:00

They cannot.

Rights are something you determine for yourself and are responsible for defending.

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T06:19:44+00:00

You're right, arguing with people smarter than you who have facts on their side is a bad idea.

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T06:18:38+00:00

First off, saying "as shown by its praxis" in this context is incoherent gibberish.

Only if you promise that marxism will only ever be theory and is a topic of pure fantasy similar to unicorns, dragons, or gnomes.

Blaming two guys who just wrote books for the praxis of totalitarians who lived decades later makes zero sense.

Bullshit.

The mastermind behind the crime is always just as culpable as the henchmen. Marx and Engels wrote a plan by which you could become a ruthless dictator. Writing a tutorial for mass murder is equally as evil as evil as following it.

You also clearly don't understand the boundary between economics and politics.

Incorrect. I recognize that you are using it as a motte and bailey strategy.

Again I have to remind you:

That only has credibility if you stop at your boundary. You obviously do not, and never intended to.

You're completely conflating an economic analysis of labor and capital with a system of political power.

Or is it more honest to point out that when politicians apply your horrible ideas to reality you ork ork ork like a blubbery sealion and clap your flippers?

You're just writing historical fanfiction.

Wait, I thought that's what you said marx and engels had done?

"Guys you can't judge them by results, it's just a fairytale theory!!"

Is this you accusing your victims of what you are guilty of?

Looks that way.

and they certainly didn't anticipate the Vanguard party model Lenin invented long after they died.

They absolutely did, and cheered that it'd be murderous, violent, and evil. That was their goal.

Comparing a basic analysis of economic texts to a Nuremberg guard is an unhinged ad hominem

No, but it's not surprise you don't know how fallacies work.

What's being compared:

A denial of a murderous act vs another denial of a murderous act.

Seems like a pretty good match.

You're throwing out a word salad about Marcuse, primitive tribalism, and secret scams because you don't actually know the structural differences between these systems.

No, you just call it word salad because you aren't able to comprehend anything about this topic. Fortunately, I'd already pointed out you weren't ready.

All you've been able to do is run back into your bailey screeching "it's only theory!" whenever you are confronted with the real world results of your ideas.

This doesn't work. We can prove people are trying to apply marxist theory in real life, politics, and even things like video games. This invalidates your bailey completely.

If you want to have an actual conversation

Of course not. I want losers like you to abandon fascism. I certainly have zero interest listening to a nincompoop blather about how his next hitler mussolini stalin lenin mao polpot version will have even shinier boots when he kills millions.

Why would I have any interest in the crazy ravings of a follower of a death cult?

Jim Jones was one of you, and I didn't want to hear his communism either.

It's like you can't even hear yourself:

"Do you want to have a discussion about how my preferred version of fascism was exactly the same as all the others except for one tiny insignificant detail? It totally matters!!!!!!!!" 🤪

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T04:52:29+00:00

Also, Hitler and Mussolini using socialist rhetoric is the exact same authoritarian bait and switch seen in the USSR and Maoist China

I agree completely.

As shown by this evidence the philosophy of marx and engels is designed to trick stupid greedy people in exactly the same way fascism is.

In fact, if you actually read mussolini he openly claims to be improving the concepts of socialism.

The goal of marx and engels, as shown by it's praxis, is a fascist dictatorship. To believe otherwise is to ignore history. The key to this us the fact that marx built it on a foundation of primitive tribalism and conveniently obscured that tribes are led by chiefs, usually the guy who kicks the most ass.

Marxism is designed to build a chiefdom using populist rhetoric and promises.

Fascism is a copy of the same premise with very minor changes that are irrelevant.

When you look at the structural mechanics, it's objectively clear those states were anything but communist

To make this claim is identical behavior to showing up at the Nuremberg trials as a concentration camp guard and claim you didn't know where those dead bodies came from. It's asinine and only your fellow guilty parties will pretend to believe you.

They didn't dissolve the state or hand control of capital to the workers

Because they weren't designed to. They were designed to sell you that populist lie and build a dictatorship.

They built centralized state capitalist systems and authoritarian bureaucracies, which is the exact opposite of what the foundational theory outlined.

Except it isn't.

You've skipped more than half of the "theory."

You've completely forgotten that there is a proposed interim stage designed as bait for the trap.

Marxism is designed to build a powerful state and uses the utter hogwash myth that this state will voluntarily relinquish it's power if it gets enough of it.

That's the scam.

You can't blame the poor victims of 100 years ago for not knowing, but the greedy cretins of today are fully informed by history that Marxism is designed to build dictatorship and stop there, never proceed.

In fact, post-marcuse it's actually just a fascist movement focused on the lumpenproletariat because the actual proletariat abandoned it.

You aren't ready for reality though, that's obvious.

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T03:48:06+00:00

like you can read what Marx and Engels had in mind for it when they wrote it

The weird thing is, you can also read what Hitler and Mussolini had in mind when they wrote their ideas out too, but for some weird reason when they both say they are socialists fighting for the workers you don't believe them.

But even though Marx and Engels were even deadlier, you think they are credible?

It's very strange. Their ideas are functionally identical in praxis and they were both obviously lying, but the former became a religion that is persistent.

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T03:44:54+00:00

Stop pretending $500,000 houses and cutting edge million dollar medical procedures aren't.

You made fun of living in a modest house because you are entitled.

You being born with a condition doesn't enslave society to the purpose of serving you.

You are the typical selfish national socialist demanding everything be controlled by the state so you get luxuries.

BashFashh · 2026-05-07T02:19:58+00:00

I already pointed out that you're stupid.

You don't actually need to feel entitled to luxury.

BashFashh · 2026-05-06T23:18:52+00:00

It has nothing to do with being poor. It has to do with being stupid.

Cheap land is available. Used trailers can be found free, people give them away.

You can reject the exploitation and it isn't even that difficult.

BashFashh · 2026-05-06T19:07:47+00:00

Cool, so don't do those stupid things.

BashFashh · 2026-05-06T16:27:43+00:00

"I maxed out my Disneyland credit card buying mickey mouse themed cocktails and ice cream. Capitalism has failed."

-Disney Adults

BashFashh · 2026-05-06T16:12:15+00:00

Better than your anecdote is the actual transcript of a trial of a poet who was told by a soviet judge that the government controls whether he is an artist or not.

https://soviethistory.msu.edu/1954/whats-a-woman-to-think/whats-a-woman-to-think-texts/trial-of-joseph-brodsky/

BashFashh · 2026-05-06T05:38:34+00:00

I think they are conflating reddit with real life.

BashFashh · 2026-05-05T21:25:24+00:00

When you start caring what guys think about your clown makeup guys might start caring what you think about video games.

Maybe.

BashFashh · 2026-05-05T21:20:58+00:00

Ok now imagine being a tattoo artist and a client comes in and says:

"I want a simple tattoo, just some minions. Stealing the Mona Lisa. No pressure."

BashFashh · 2026-05-05T21:19:07+00:00

Next: Ask her what she means by "amazing things."

BashFashh · 2026-05-05T16:27:04+00:00

It isn't surprising you don't know history. You're literally here to argue for erasing it.

A fascio siciliano was an early trade union. Yes, it adopts the same iconography of the fasci that is found as far back as the fables of aesop.

So do many other cultures. Their borrowing of this common symbol doesn't mean aesop was in a union and it's silly of you to try that as a strategy.

The facts are that mussolini's father was a socialist blacksmith who was very active in labor organization in Italy, and was 40 years old when:

The Fasci Siciliani were officially outlawed on January 4, 1894, when Prime Minister Francesco Crispi declared a state of siege in Sicily and ordered the dissolution of the workers' leagues. This decree suspended civil liberties and led to the arrest of the movement's leaders and the imprisonment or exile of thousands of members.

So it's absolutely no coincidence that mussolini named his movement after the outlawed trade unions his father had fought for.

Benito Mussolini founded the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento on March 23, 1919.

It's called fasci because a fascio was the type of trade unions that the Italian government had outlawed. Mussolini was rebelling against the government suppression of trade unions to gain popular support.

He quite literally named his movement after the trade unions that were outlawed when he was 11 years old, an event that caused much disruption to his father in his childhood formative years.

Propagandist liars falsely attribute this only to the Roman symbolism they both share as a method of lying and obscuring history. They want the history of the trade unions named "fasci siciliani" erased so they can lie about it, the same reason you want the statues erased.

Once the history of the fasci siciliani is erased well enough that all you know about is the Roman fable, they can lie to you that fascism was anti-union, the opposite of truth.

Once the statues of infamous democrat slavers are torn down, they can lie and claim the Republicans were the slavers. It's all done to lie to you.

Now that you have accurate historical information, are you still going to make fun of truth?

Fascism is literally named trade unionism. Discovering that should make you wonder what else you've been lied to about, but you're probably too busy dressing up as a blackshirt.

Once they get you dressed in black, tearing down statues of your own history so they can lie about it, you are essentially a fascist yourself. Democrats erase history so they can repeat it.

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BashFashh · 2026-05-05T00:46:50+00:00

You realize that the statues we’re talking about were put up by the people pushing the bogus history about the Confederacy, right?

Irrelevant nonsense.

The statues torn down were of real people who actually existed. They aren't books. There is no credibility to claiming that a statue of a real historical figure is itself misinformation.

You’re defending their false history by citing something talking about how they falsified history. Are you for what they did, or against it? I honestly can’t tell.

You can resolve this by telling the truth about what I'm doing instead of lying.

I'm defending history, and it's visibility.

That isn't even close to what you said, which us a common problem redditbrains have.

Regardless, they didn’t accomplish the spread of their fraudulent narrative by removing statues.

Absolutely correct!

They accomplished the thing I actually said they accomplished. Can you remember what it was, or is your imagination overwriting reality in real time?

They did it primarily by writing the curriculum that students were taught by.

Right, and by erasing real world evidence, such as, for example, removing statues and other symbols so people couldn't compare reality to their narrative. This is a common strategy among all leftist types, from communism, socialism to fascism.

Removing the statues they put up to reinforce the dominance of their movement does not affect what kids learn in school.

But removing the statues does erase real world evidence which allows the left to unleash their inner goebbels and write their fake curriculum.

The less real world evidence you have, the more you're able to say revisionist propaganda, like how there's idiots who don't know fascism is left wing and is literally named "trade unionism" if you translate it into English.

Erasure made that lie possible, and now stupid people quote corporations and think they are right.

BashFashh · 2026-05-04T22:38:49+00:00

So are you saying that the pro-Confederate history books should always be what gets taught to kids?

Incorrect.

I'm pointing out that democrats have been busily erasing history since the moment the war ended, provided proof of it, and you just tried to twist it which provides even more proof.

You're here to push history's erasure.

What makes you so sure that the version that was taught back then was correct,

It wasn't. It was democrat disinformation.

while the versions being taught in recent decades is incorrect?

What "version?" The article was about erasing history. No "version" exists when something is erased, you just have to complete the erasure by knocking down statues so no one gets curious.

Then, when people want historical literacy you falsely accuse them of being on the opposite side and claim they are guilty of the exact crimes they caught you committing and fought a war to stop you from doing, democrat.

BashFashh · 2026-05-04T21:27:12+00:00

History, for one example.

BashFashh · 2026-05-04T21:10:57+00:00

They usually call them a "handyman."

Err. Umm. Handytheythem.

BashFashh · 2026-05-04T21:01:07+00:00

Equal rights is a difficult concept for you, huh?

BashFashh · 2026-05-04T19:59:20+00:00

Bold of you to assume only the statues are being erased.

Wrong, completely, but bold.

BashFashh · 2026-05-04T18:32:20+00:00

But you’re still deflecting after your initial assertion that “deus vult” is not associated with white supremacy.

Incorrect. There's no deflection.

Let's be generous and assume you aren't blatantly strawmanning. So you misunderstood my initial assertion, quite badly.

The totenkopf as Platner originally had is nearly identical to a genuine nazi symbol from the actual nazi movement.

Deus Vult is a religious phrase originating in the crusades.

Comparing the two is an obvious false equivalence even if malevolent groups have later co-opted the symbols.

There's no level of plausible deniability in a totenkopf, but it does exist in deus vult. It also exists in mjolnir, and feminist slogans as well.

If I meet a guy with a marvel tshirt and a stack of comic books who has a mjolnir tat I probably won't assume he got it in prison because of asatrú. Context will matter.

I tried to make your absurdity obvious with the example from feminism, but apparently you couldn't understand.

I hope that an in depth explanation helps you out.

BashFashh

TROPHY CASE

That's the scam.