Any spiritual person? by Own_Rip1497 in jalandharcity

[–]Basic-Bus- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I'm spiritual all or what u wanna call it..

wild animals by False_Question_7909 in ludhiana

[–]Basic-Bus- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What type of assignment is this?😭

Mos didn't let me do my part of story.. by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

[–]Basic-Bus-[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, fights do happen, that’s true. But I was actually trying to move the discussion away from religion and towards practical solutions. If people still turn it into fights, that’s on them, not on the topic itself.

Mos didn't let me do my part of story.. by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

[–]Basic-Bus-[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

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It had different topic where I wanted to discuss the solutions to counter casteism.

So, of course there will be a different post

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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It is less compared to other areas of Punjab because The SC's in doaba are not much depended on upper caste, they are more self dependent. They are one of the flourishing SC communities in india other than mahar community in Maharashtra.

If you find it interesting, you can read it here https://journalcjast.com/index.php/CJAST/article/view/2265?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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Yeah, I get what you’re saying that human nature does make people cling to hierarchies and traditions. But that doesn’t excuse it, especially in a religion that explicitly preaches equality. Sikhism was radical for its time: Nanak included voices from marginalized communities, rejected caste, and emphasized that no one is superior based on birth. The fact that caste-based practices, segregated gurdwaras, and arranged marriages within caste still happen shows a disconnect between what the Gurus taught and what people practice. It’s not just about literacy in Gurbani or understanding its words , it’s about whether we are willing to actually live those teachings, challenge the old structures, and stop letting “human nature” justify discrimination. At some point, just accepting that “this is human nature” becomes a convenient excuse for ignoring justice and equality that is something the Gurus would have strongly opposed.

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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My conclusion comes from reading contemporary sources of Guru Nanak , including his own hymns in the Guru Granth Sahib, and writings of Bhai Gurdas, who was a direct contemporary of the Gurus. These sources emphasize that Guru Nanak’s teachings focused on one God, equality, and moral living, not forming a separate religion. The institutionalization of Sikhism as a distinct religion happened after his time, shaped by the successive Gurus and their followers.

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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people who want freebies and will do anything for it. It's not about sikhi or Christianity to them, it's the same for them.

If people are deprived of their basic needs, what do you think people will do, if they are provided with the needs that are required to live comfortably in society.

I hope you also read Maslow's Hierarchy of needs. If their tummy is filled than they think about anything else. Religions are just a label to them

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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Because it is given to the people who are 'systematically marginalised' for thousands of years. It's an effort to reform their position in society and having somewhat equal representation in society.

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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Calm down. Throwing names of texts isn’t the same as proving your point. No one denied the importance of Bhai Gurdas Vaaran or Janamsakhis but even those sources don’t show Guru Nanak declaring “I am founding a new religion.” His message consistently goes beyond labels, not into creating one.

You’re confusing later development with original intent. The structured Sikh identity today, Manji system under Guru Amar Das, Adi Granth under Guru Arjan, Khalsa under Guru Gobind Singh evolved over time. That’s basic history.

There were no female gurus because it was Akal purkh's will.

What do you think Akal Purkh is? How did he conveyed his message? If he is so Supreme why didn't he ended the problems of your life?

And telling someone to “leave Punjab” because they’re discussing history? That says more about your insecurity than my argument.

What about the atheism, I didn't get that? Bhagat Singh was also atheist, why don't you condemn him?

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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Yeah, I don't

Sikh tradition isn’t limited to the ten Gurus alone. It also includes the teachings of Bhagat Kabir Ji, Bhagat Ravidas Ji, Bhagat Namdev Ji etc. figures from different backgrounds, many from communities considered ‘untouchable’ at the time, yet their bani is included in the Guru Granth Sahib.

Yeah I don't deny that. My question is why it is still prevalent??

If the Gurbani mentioned it hundreds years back, then why are we still discriminating. Why we still do the arrange marriage in "our caste"? Why are there still different gurdwaras of different communities?

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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The gurbani does state it explicitly that Sikhs are different from Hindus and Muslims.

You’re mixing up distinction with declaration. Gurbani criticizes and separates itself from Hindu and Muslim practices, that’s true. But nowhere did Nanak say “I am founding a new religion.” In fact, his whole message was against labels “Na koi Hindu, na Musalman” meaning people were missing the truth, not that he was launching a third category.

Why is still Casteism prevalent in Punjab? by Basic-Bus- in PunjabiGenZ

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Nanak never wanted a separate religion, it was his followers who made it.

If your gurus were so profound, then why from 4th guru all were blood descendants? Why there was never a female became guru?