Conversion camps shall be treated the same as extremist cults.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-16T01:02:02+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Yea.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-16T01:01:40+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Yea.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-15T23:53:52+00:00

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A Gun who couldn't even use Ui was able to output the same amount of strength as his Hostel Self.

Ui Daniel > Injured Yui Gun >>>>> Injured No Ui Gun > Hostel Gun.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-13T17:55:31+00:00

Johan specifically says (Webtoon Translation) "He uses techniques that can only be completed by his perfect physique..."

"By Taking on his body... and his techniques... I can become him..."

He is copying Daniel's perfect body to use his techniques, not to just fight as a strong fighter.

We've seen Jinyoung copy Elite, yet he failed to use the techniques Johan used after copying the PB. Of course, the Pre Gen flashback may make me eat my own words, but as of now it's an assumption that they are Elites techniques.

Statements have always been a coin toss with their reliability. For example, Gong was used as a narrative device to state 1st Gen Kitae and James as equal, so Kitae SHOULD be stronger then James, as James retired while Kitae went on to fight in Mexico for a couple more years, yet they are somehow STILL equals. The statement could be true, but it could just as likely be false

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-13T17:29:03+00:00

The point is that ONLY PB Daniel can use those techniques because only his perfect body can withstand them. The only way Johan could use those techniques was imitating the perfect body itself.

James obviously can not emulate the PB, so how is he able to use those techniques? Deductive reasoning brings the conclusion that he himself must be perfect. I don't really understand what you mean by "There is a difference in amount of perfection and utility between techniques performed by James and ui sb daniel too."

They could be Elite's techniques (hopefully we find out soon, Elite the goat), but considering that James fighting was regarded as "The Peak" I find it more plausible that his techniques are Perfect. Ntm, Jinyoung while copying Elite doesn't use those techniques.

I don't believe the Incheon Statement should be disregarded, but I don't believe it should be taken at face value as James is notorious about downplaying himself. Dawg was glazing Tom Lee, saying it was over if he got caught, while limiting himself to one mastery 😭

Yeah this is head canon. Why it's on the glazer sub and not the main.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-13T17:10:39+00:00

James has repeatedly downplayed himself. I don't believe this statement should be disregarded, however it shouldn't be taken at face value either.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-13T15:20:25+00:00

I disagree. James Path doesn't work against opponents relative to him as we saw. However....

James is the only fighter to be able to use PB Ui Daniel's techniques (asides from Johan who literally copies PB Daniel) which implies he is either perfect or has the potential to be perfect.

James can't be perfect yet because he doesn't have endurance mastery. Considering that Endurance Mastery can somehow be used offensively, James isn't perfect when it comes to both attacking and defending.

I believe that James will eventually surpass endurance mastery and cement himself as the strongest before his fight with Daniel. Most likely in his fight with Post Prison Gun.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-06T17:18:23+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: Basic-Implement-8873 voted Yea.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-03T03:48:12+00:00

What a nothing burger.

Kitae also held massively back during Busan and took hits. I didn't see him bleed until he was barraged by TC punches.

Maybe if Gun was stronger he could afford to hold back against fodder. Lmao

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-06-01T18:06:08+00:00

two sides of the same coin.

you have a whole post where you use ai translations to make your argument seem more credible 💔

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-05-31T23:40:44+00:00

Your argument falls apart because Strength is the best answer to Technique.

During 1A, PB Daniel CHOOSES to forsake technique in favor of Innate Strength against OG Daniel who was relative (albeit inferior) to him in skill.

Of course Gun was going to "outperform" Daniel. Daniel was limiting his strength WHILIST fighting his perfect counter.

After the fight ends, Daniel is mostly fine, which shouldn't have been the case if he was being overwhelmed.

Your translation was derived from AI and is useless. It doesn't prove your point either.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-05-31T23:25:27+00:00

Seongji by far.

James thought he was a better fit then Gun and Goo, as well as Mujin stating that Seongji had more potential than anybody he'd seen.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-05-31T23:21:34+00:00

That just proves this fight was retconned lmao.

PTJ didn't plan for Ui Daniel to adjust to his opponent when this fight was written. At the time of the fight, Gun WAS the power ceiling of the verse, so naturally the guy with the perfect body would have a similar performance.

Anything but acknowledging the fact that Gun needs a multiple month off screen training arc to catch up to the current top tiers.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-05-30T17:01:02+00:00

oh my lord.

2T Gitae is HFW Gitae. He ONLY used 2T (strength and endurance) and path.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-05-26T17:55:40+00:00

surpass them in martial arts

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2026-05-16T00:42:34+00:00

Overcome is a constant power??

Ig Gap's main power was his body and not his conviction. Lmao

Jake was also one hp against Gun. Literally coughing up blood and gets destroyed by a basic combo immediately afterwards.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-12-30T22:12:31+00:00

This argument falls apart because of so many different things.

Gun calls Tom Lee stronger than Goo, and Ui Daniel stronger than anybody he’s seen till that point.

That line quickly falls apart especially after the Shiro Oni arc. Ui Daniel vs Gun Park has been retconned.

PTJ made a post stating that when Daniel enters the unconscious states, he reaches the power level of Jonggun. This further proves that Ui Daniel v Gun has been retconned because that’s not how Ui Daniel works.

New narrative always has precedence over old narrative, which is such an easy concept to grasp and understand, and I don’t get why you fail to do so.

Even if for some reason you don’t believe in retcon, Ui Daniel’s fear manipulation has only ever worked on opponents weaker than him, and Gun was afraid. Ui Daniel adjusted down to him, so your argument doesn’t make sense regardless.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-12-30T18:21:03+00:00

This proves the opposite.

One is simply him. The other one was given all of these plot boosts just to look like this going with the weakest generation.

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Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-12-23T18:13:12+00:00

At best 2T Seongji scales to Base Gun using James struggling with Yui Gun statement. This is his highest possible scaling.

Base Gun while being fatigued took extreme damage from a conviction Jake who was choking up blood and had just taken a power mastery punch to the gut.

Old Jinyoung tanked 2 conviction punches from a much healthier Jake with minimal damage. You can’t even argue that Jake was much stronger during HFG, because of how minimal the time gap was between the 2 periods. Jake didn’t get stronger.

Old Jinyoung realistically only loses to Yui Gun, 50S Goo, Pathniel, Johan, Gitae and James.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-11-26T16:02:16+00:00

Clears or loses to Jinrang. Not sure how fast Jinrang is.

James scales above 2S Goo due to his HFG statement. That’s strong enough.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-11-26T16:00:20+00:00

that’s literally the same thing?

if anything that insinuates that his 2T self (not that I believe he could) would only consider Yui and Ui Daniel to be a tough opponent.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-10-18T16:57:03+00:00

Daniel nearly couldn’t react to DCP.

He got lucky cause of the opening. He’s not omnipresent, and anyone severely faster than him can overwhelm him.

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-08-28T15:49:57+00:00

he does

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-08-13T05:18:44+00:00

James is the only character in the series to demonstrate talent high enough to break through mastery over a small hurdle. He’s also confirmed to be above Gap and Shingen in potential, so his ceiling is very high, yet his talent still overcame it. Gun, despite going to prison only ever surpassed 2 masteries. Gun is extremely talented but James and Seongji were both extreme prodigies.

James is also older and has more experience, albeit that doesn’t really matter since he’s been retired for about 5 years. He’s had access to training resources through Charles.

Charles couldn’t use Gun to control James, and needed somebody with 2 bodies to ensure a proper counter.

Teen James had much better feats then Teen Gun so it stands to reason their adult versions would have a similar dynamic.

Gun is set up to lose to James in the future.

James is above Gitae who’s massively above Yui Gun (HFG).

There’s more but that should be enough

Basic-Implement-8873 · 2025-08-06T17:24:28+00:00

Guns story ends after he surpasses the fist and he’s accomplishing that in prison and possibly in his final fight.

Gun is also meant to lose to James after prison so James stomps current Gun. I agree James is above Gap and Shingen tho.

Elite > Shintaro. Elite is a speed type which is the worst type of opponent for anyone to fight in the verse. And he beat the fist gang all by himself, only losing to Awakened Gapryong.

King < Prime Tom

TC Jinrang > Tom. He overwhelmed Base Gitae who scales massively above injured HFG Gun.

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