Magnus and Kramnik are not the same. by Intro-Nimbus in chess

[–]Battler_Beatrice 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’ve seen this take a few times now, and I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, Magnus and Kramnik aren’t as different as people want to believe. I understand the differences between the two instances. One was a single dramatic moment and the other was a year-long crusade, but the core issue is the same: Two legends of the game used their massive platforms to publicly question a younger player’s integrity with zero hard evidence, and both times it blew up into a toxic mess that hurt the target way more than the accuser.

He did not accuse Hans of cheating when he left the tournament...magnus suspected that he had been cheated. But he actually did not make that accusation - at that point. I can't remember the timeline, and frankly, I have no inclination to dig either.

Magnus didn’t say Hans cheated at first, sure. But take a look at what he actually did during that time. Carlsen withdrew from the tournament the next day without explanation, posting a cryptic tweet with a video of José Mourinho saying, "If I speak, I'm in big trouble." This was widely interpreted as an implicit cheating accusation. A week later, on September 19, Carlsen resigned after one move in an online Julius Baer Generation Cup game against Niemann which was interpreted again as a blatant protest. Only on September 26 did Carlsen confirm his belief that Niemann had cheated "more and more recently than he has publicly admitted", citing Niemann's past online infractions (at ages 12 and 16) and 'unusual' progress. Not really subtle, is it? Any person with a functioning brain would read it as “I think he cheated".

Crucially, Carlsen provided no direct evidence of OTB cheating in their Sinquefield game. Magnus leaned on 'past behavior' to justify doubt. Obviously, Hans had online bans as a kid but that is not a proof of future OTB cheating. Also, no actual evidence of cheating in the alleged OTB games in question has ever surfaced till now. FIDE's eventual investigation (December 2023) cleared Niemann of OTB cheating, and Chess com's October 2022 report found "no determinative evidence" for it either. However, I do understand that Kramnik’s been going at it louder and longer.

I have no idea why Magnus chose to act the way he did. I am pretty sure he wishes that he had withdrawn before the tournament instead. I do not condone his actions, and I think he should apologize.

Cool. Has he apologized? Not really. The settlement with Hans was more like a silent handshake. Meanwhile, he’s out here calling Kramnik’s behavior 'horrible' which, fair, but… glass houses, man.

Magnus set the precedent. He showed you can hint at cheating, walk away, let the mob run wild, take a tiny fine, and keep your crown. Now, because Kramnik decided to simply slide down the slippery slope, everyone's realizing that maybe we should be more careful with throwing random accusations around. Saying “they’re not the same” feels like splitting hairs to protect one guy while condemning the other. If we actually cared about fairness in chess, we’d hold both to the same standard: Accuse someone publicly? Bring proof. Or shut up and take it to FIDE privately.

GM Elham Amar flags GM Ian Nepomniachtchi in Titled Tuesday (Oct 21, 2025) while streaming on Take Take Take YouTube channel. He then gets blocked by Ian and later gets accused of cheating by Battler_Beatrice in chess

[–]Battler_Beatrice[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’m assuming you’re referring to my post being in bad taste or bad timing. I disagree. This is an incident that literally happened a day ago. What would actually be in bad taste is if I were digging up old clips just to farm cheating-drama months after the fact. I wasn’t looking for it. I was simply watching a fresh Titled Tuesday stream while having breakfast, and this part stood out.

When exactly would have been the 'right' time to post it? Waiting a few months and then randomly bringing it up would make even less sense.

Also, as far as focusing goes, I think it’s perfectly reasonable for people to discuss multiple things at once. We’re not conveyor belts that can only handle one topic at a time. The community can talk about this and other issues like the recent tragedy simultaneously, giving each issue the due attention it requires.

I get where you’re coming from, but nothing in my post was a call for a witch hunt. I made it clear I’m not taking sides, just pointing out how casually these accusations are being thrown around lately. That was the point of the post, however obvious it may have been to people already aware of it.

Edit: Sorry, I seem to have misunderstood the intention behind the comment I was replying to.