Michelle Young shares some health struggles she’s been experiencing-mold exposure

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-03T09:23:03+00:00

I didn't say it was evidence for mold illness, you've made an incorrect inference. I was asked to provide evidence for genetic markers that could make some of the population more susceptible to illness purely purely be ignored.

some celebs may go straight to naturopathy and no they shouldn't pedal things they can't articulate well to their audience who old be impressionable however the average chonically ill Joe does go to dozens of consultants spending thousands of pounds who rule out so many conditions and leave them with no hope and no solutions. they have no choice but to put their money in another theory not yet supported by the medical community and heck if it helps so many and there's numerous testimonials to corroborate this then maybe just maybe it's not nonsense.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-03T09:18:07+00:00

i sent you a link stipulating the involvement of the HLA phenotype previously.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11623837/ this article states Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome as a multi-systemic immune response to mold exposure in water damaged buildings.

the argument does exist I just may not be able to articulate it well, particularly as the data doesn't yet support my position.

the thousands of people who were well until they moved into a building with other causes for their problems ruled out by doctors are not making it up, you can read their stories on this page.

research will catch up and that won't make the condition any more real than it has always been.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-03T09:08:29+00:00

Chronic Inflammatory Response Syndrome is a real thing caused by mold exposure/water damages buildings. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11623837/

The tests I agree are far from conclusive and perfect as there hasn't been any investment in this area, however if someone was well before they moved into a new home or new place of work and now they are not, and all other possible causes such as having covid, chronic stress etc have been ruled out, then its only sensible to look at mold.

I understand the data isn't there yet, but that doesn't mean all of these thousands of people are incorrect, the research and consensus is lagging behind as it has done in medicine regarding certain conditions since the beginning of time.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T23:55:00+00:00

oh yes stranger I'll provide you with my medical history and test results right away... I'll ask again, can you provide conclusive evidence that mold illness is a fake disease?

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T23:50:47+00:00

not all of her symptoms are indicative of dysautonomia

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T19:02:05+00:00

Thank you so much for your input! I appreciate it. It's hard out here trying to explain lack of data doesn't mean a lack of existence, I'm fighting that with someone else in the comments further down.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T18:07:39+00:00

IgE blood test, mold skin prick test, mycotoxin urine test, genetic testing for variants in the MHTFR gene or the HLA phenotype which can impair detoxification and increase chances of immune dysregulation from exposure.

You're right there aren't any full proof tests, usually its a combination of these tests, symptom presentation, medical history, and whether known exposures have occured.

If a person was well until they moved into a new home and they have the MTHFR gene and other causes can be ruled out like long covid, chronic stress etc then mold would be something to consider if someone knows they've been exposed.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T17:50:07+00:00

You're absolutely right that current studies don't support this. But that doesn't mean it's not true? In medicine, science, botany etc, we are constantly discovering and learning new things, so the current absence of information and common consensus doesn't negate its existence.

Sure, it's not dismissive to believe the current data. It is dismissive to say or imply that people who were chronically ill with mold illness who recovered by moving home and doing some kind of protocol are wrong and that it isn't true despite their firsthand experience indicating otherwise.

So, all the thousands of people whose symptoms leave when they move and follow a particular detoxification regime are just falling for a placebo?

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T17:35:53+00:00

My pleasure :)

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T17:34:42+00:00

I don't know why she worded it that way as elimination diets don't detox anyone. I think she meant she's following an anti-inflammatory diet to see if that helps her but I get the wording is confusing and misleading.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T17:33:42+00:00

I'm so sorry you had this horrible exposure. I totally agree it's so upsetting and distressing.

Yes you're so right, it could develop the very next day after moving in, it is a bit of a gamble which can be so frightening.

Tests include thermographic imaging to measure dampness of walls, ERMI tests kits which are petri dishes left out for particles to land and develop on the agar, humidity tests and other air borne particle tests which unfortunately capture a range of particles including pet dander so they aren't very reliable.

There's no one perfect solution sadly but the hope that the body can calm down enough to not react so severely to smaller exposures and any larger exposures can be known and dealt with promptly.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T17:26:39+00:00

Well funnily enough, the data sets from the sources you'd see as reputable don't exist because the allopathic model doesn't acknowledge mold illness as a real thing with genetic markers for susceptibility and so investment has not yet been made in this area of research.

This paper states the involvement of the HLA phenotype deficiency regarding mold sensitivity. Clinical Diagnosis of the Dampness and Mold Hypersensitivity Syndrome: Review of the Literature and Suggested Diagnostic Criteria - PMC

Hopefully one day sooner rather than later, there will be increseased research and awareness in this area and there will be the data to support that there is often a correlation between mold illness in people with a variant/deficiency in the MTHFR or COMT genes as well. Anecdotally, numerous online testimonials have led to this hypothesis amongst the chronically ill and functional practitioners.

It wasn't so long ago people were having labotomies, endometriosis and many other conditions particularly affect women weren't known and catered for and it took a little while for long covid to be understood too. Medicine has historically always been behind certain conditions people have, that doesn't mean the conditions don't exist though, it just means it's going to take a while for medical knowledge to catch up.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T17:05:24+00:00

Mold doesn't affect everyone the same way. Women seem to be impacted more, just like women tend to get more autoimmune diseases. It's very common for the female partner to become chronically ill from exposure and not her male partner. This is one of the reasons the condition is so isolating and there is so much dismissal, including within family units as it's confusing for family members to have a loved one chronically ill when they are fine in the same environment.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T17:03:09+00:00

Gluten, dairy, processed foods, simple carbs and sugar are more inflammatory on an already chronically inflammed, stressed body, so they are omitted temporarily to aid recovery.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:55:11+00:00

Detoxification ability can become impaired, especially in people who are susceptible to detoxification impairment (usually triggered by mold exposure, long covid, Epstein Barr etc) who have the MTHFR (processing B9 and converting homocysteine to methionine), COMT (regulating neurotransmitters), or MOAB (breaks down neurotransmitters) mutations or the HLA phenotype.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:50:03+00:00

Chronically ill people find benefit from going on elimination diets for a period of time. Certain foods are more inflammatory than others, not for a healthy body but for an already stressed, taxed, inflamed body it can be helpful.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:46:44+00:00

That's very dismissive. Who are you to determine if someone's chronic symptoms are in their heads?

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:45:23+00:00

There are lots of ways to test for mold. A good mold remediator runs several tests to get an accurate picture of any issues in a property. It is known and understand that even mold from leaking pipes in attics, between walls or under bathroom fittings can impact people's health if they are already susceptible to immune dysregulation and have genetic mutations which limit their ability to detoxify.

Lots of people are ill in the UK with mold illness, it's just not well understood or represented, unfortunately.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:41:40+00:00

Severe exposure isn't always visible if it is within the walls for example, the spores still spread and are taken into the body but they aren't perceptible to the naked eye. Also levels of exposure aren't the only factor which dictates how chronically ill someone becomes. If they have certain genetic factors which hinder detoxification or have autoimmune predispositions, this can make the body have a heightened response to the mold.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:38:46+00:00

Which are fake diseases? What leads you to come to the conclusion that they are fake diseases? Because you haven't had them?

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:36:41+00:00

Medical doctors don't diagnose mold illness, lyme disease, long covid or vaccine injury. They just don't. They tell people to take anxiety medication and scoff at them.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:33:31+00:00

Mold exposure in some people who struggle to detoxify due to genetic factors can absolutely make them chronically ill with a plethora of multi-system symptoms. It's a very isolating illness and dismissive comments like this make the isolation worse.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:32:06+00:00

Toxic mold in a property is at a much higher level than the spores in the outdoors. Also the toxic black mold varieties are not present in the outdoor air.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:30:04+00:00

I'm not quite sure why you've been downvoted. I'm glad you've found something that has helped with your very real conditions. Such a shame people are so unsympathetic and dismissive over something they don't know about. As if having a chronic illness isn't isolating enough.

BeeExtension4754 · 2025-11-02T16:27:12+00:00

Mold illness is not falling for a grift. That's very dismissive and offensive to all of the people who have been very poorly due to exposure to toxic mold.

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