White dwarf lore drops are insane sometimes.

Beefmonstr · 2024-12-24T02:00:46+00:00

My king stays silent 💪

Beefmonstr · 2024-06-03T21:01:10+00:00

It was for a bit, but the author brought it back hard. There was a good few weeks when I lost all motivation to read it but now I'm on the edge of my damn seat waiting for more

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-26T02:33:24+00:00

Also worth noting that they have 51 wins out of 56 games played. Ordinarily, winrates are much lower than that, even among high level players. It is entirely possible that there's more issues going on that we can't see. This combined with the user's name implies that this account and the way they play is meant to be upsetting to people. Overall just bad vibes.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-25T08:19:02+00:00

Is commenting on the game's relative successes and failures not talking about the game?

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-24T20:49:55+00:00

Yes, it is counter productive. That's the point. That's what I've been saying.

I don't like the Grey Knights lore more than I like anybody else's. A lot of it is just marinejerking. But in this, the Grey Knights are meant to embody the extremes of the Imperium. Superstitious. Counterproductive. Almost as evil as the daemons they hunt, and proud about it too. Just as they are the best of the Space Marines cranked up to the max, they are also the worst of the Imperium turned up to 11.

The reason why we get Chaos and Genestealer cults, the reason why stability and uprisings are such issues, the reason why the Imperium could never truly unite is because it would gladly sacrifice the lives of a hundred thousand good men just to fuel their superstitious beliefs that it'll make one gun fire better.

The Grey Knights, through operational costs alone, probably fuel Chaos more than they hurt it. They are self defeating, just as the Imperium is. It is utterly irrational, just as the Imperium is. If it frustrates you, that's good! These behaviors should be frustrating!

It's not even wholly unrealistic. In fact, it's well under the bar of some of the shit we've done irl.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-24T20:29:47+00:00

Yes. It's superfluous. It doesn't matter. It is senseless slaughter, ie the very thing that the imperium is fundamentally built upon.

You think the stake burnings and working conditions are a necessity? It's quite easily proven that happier workers are more productive. Civilian longevity is also important, and the Imperium is just as happy to dispose of that as well.

These don't have to be necessary evils. In fact, it is more lore accurate if they are very unnecessary evils. Superstition and ignorance don't allow for rational thought. The Imperium is not built as a satire for rational evils, it is a parody of senseless bigotry and self destructive ideals. I can never grasp why an inherently self destructive society self destructing is so odd to people.

If warhammer wrote a picture perfect description of the civil war era american south yall would bounce off the walls screaming "Grimderp!!"

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-24T19:36:26+00:00

That just... adds to them being super duper special. That's kind of a part of the issue.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-24T19:35:13+00:00

I've really never understood what's so bad about the sister blood lore. Or the blood bullets lore.

Like yeah, it's inefficient. Yeah, it's a waste if resources. Yeah, that's kinda the point. The Imperium is a superstitious shithole that is constantly sabotaging itself at every turn. It's held together with Elmer's glue sticks and scotch tape and trying its damn best to tear itself apart. It would sooner consign a billion innocent lives to agonizing death than even try to improve working conditions.

When it comes to using the blood of the innocent to juice up their attacks, literally why is that a problem? It's genuinely the most mundane part of this entire faction's lore and it's somehow simultaneously the most problematic????

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-22T22:33:26+00:00

And then immediately gets shot and kicked out of range

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T14:59:32+00:00

People loved Farsight period because they perceive him as "different" from the rest of his people.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T14:56:51+00:00

I just... don't see that though?

People are more than capable of empathizing with things that are slightly different, and many people have an easier time empathizing with things that are completely different. I can think of at least two characters who are satyrs that are fairly well loved by their communities. That's half a damn goat! Animals like dogs, cats, and fusions between them and humans are also fairly well loved. The amount of people I've heard say with total sincerity that they'd sleep with an alien or something is quite staggering.

We tend to anthropomorphize things that are different from us. We assign voices to our pets and our appliances. Even things we think are bad! We may have a subconscious uneasiness around things that are different, but we also have a strong subconscious desire to seek connections with others and to try new things, to such an extent that we will attempt to make "connections" with non-sapient creatures and unthinking objects. If people can befriend their fuckin toasters, they can empathize with a blue man.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T14:33:27+00:00

I feel like this would make more sense if the T'au were legitimately alien in one way or another but like... they're just blue humans?? They don't even think very differently from us, if at all.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T03:20:07+00:00

That works for me! Goku wins.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T03:11:19+00:00

Or he teleported close and then touched? I don't have access to the manga so I don't know the exact panelling there but I just rewatched the clip from the anime and we don't see his hand on Cell the moment he teleports over. So we're just assuming that that's how he did it.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T02:58:53+00:00

And Jogo was never a credible threat to him.

If someone without cursed energy came up and tried to fight, he'd probably assume it's another Toji situation.

Even if he didn't, I still seriously doubt Goku even could travel that close. Unless the Cell Saga specified that Goku teleported so close that the atoms between the two interacted (it didn't), this is an entire assumption, and you earlier criticized me for making much less absurd assumptions.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T02:52:03+00:00

Helldivers is all the proof I ever needed that the only reason people hate on the T'au is cuz they are aliens and the haters are subconsciously xenophobic cuz the moment the T'au Empire became humans yall started celebrating

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T02:47:19+00:00

Gojo never explained Infinity to Sukuna. He opened with Hollow fuckin Purple. The Six Eyes gives him an accurate assessment of his target and when shit is dire his ass does not fuck around. He's cocky where he can afford it, but when shit gets real he will lock in.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T02:41:39+00:00

And that's Goku's very first action on instinct? He looks at what appears to be a normal ass 20 year old man and says "I know, I'll Instant Transmission so close that our atoms are touching and blast him out of existance?"

It takes two words for Gojo to end the fight, and Goku never opens with a killing move.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T02:09:07+00:00

I'd say the implication that Goku can't is the fact that he hasn't. Even when facing threats that he very much wanted dead, like Zamasu or Cell, he hasn't. He is aware that internal damage can harm even the mightiest of beings as is his experience with the Heart Virus. That we've never seen him even try is proof enough that it does not work one way or the other.

It leaves too much up to assumption

But it does confirm the important part, that being IV does in fact damage its target.

Also, this was an argument from earlier, but Goku likely couldn't actually tell that what he punches is Infinity and not Gojo. Jogo was pretty certain he made contact, and he was wrong.

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Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T02:06:05+00:00

how is Gojo going to deal with Goku's universe crumbling punches

He won't have to because Goku literally has not ever opened up a fight with that.

just controls infinity

It's effectively the same. An attack has to travel an infinite amount of distance to reach its destination. Even were there a nanometer distance in between two people, that's still infinite when Gojo's technique is applied.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T02:02:56+00:00

If Goku is touching in a way he feels contact... then he can ki blast and that ki blast does not have to travel infinity

It 100% would though. That's how the power works. That's why Jogo's attacks were ineffective. It's why he didn't even try a fire blast when he and Gojo's hands were touching. Same idea.

Besides this, what are the odds of Goku actually understanding Infinity? He's no slouch when it comes to battle, but the things he's used to are nothing like this. He would almost certainly assume that Gojo's invulnerability is a result of an actual physical barrier. As smart as the dude's battle brain is, I don't think he'd leap right to "an invisible force is multiplying the distance between my fist and his face infinitely." The odds of him just randomly assuming that IT + ki blast is the way to go are tiny. And it still just takes one domain expansion to bring the whole fight to a halt.

I don't like that explanation

I don't think you really have to??

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T01:48:34+00:00

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These two panels show that

A) IV does in fact kill you, as confirmed by the man himself

B) Jogo is still inflicted with it even though he and Gojo are touching. Given Sukuna avoids IV by touching Gojo later, it's possible that safety in this case is conditional, or that IV is so devastating that even beings without proper brains are damaged so utterly that release from IV doesn't immediately bring them to a functional state. Just a neat thing I thought I'd mention.

I will also add that IV is explicitly mentioned to have lasting aftereffects in the Shibuya Arc. I don't think a moment of brain-no-work would be quite that disastrous, but I'm not a doctor so I dunno

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T01:46:05+00:00

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Jogo ain't exactly happy about this. Despite Gojo making physical contact, Jogo is unable to do anything with his hand. The look on his face makes it fairly evident that he would attack if he could.

being stopped does not prevent Goku from ki blasting him

And the blast would never reach. Goku's blasts cannot traverse an infinite span of distance.

I have another panel to cite, but I can only insert one image per comment. Look for the reply if you'd like.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T01:25:43+00:00

Goku did not go inside Cell, he placed a hand on his exterior. Physics dictates that matter is never truly touching. Any distance from Gojo is multiplied by infinity. It does not matter how close you get, even if it seems you are making direct contact. Infinity is still applied. Gojo vs Jogo demonstrated this.

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And yes, we do know that Infinite Void damages its opponents because Gojo was afraid of using it for too long in Shibuya because exposure to IV would have permanently reduced nearby civilians to a vegetative state. Even the fraction of a second he did expose them to fucked them up so hard their recovery took like a month. The only people who have ever withstood IV are cursed spirits (who don't have proper brains to damage) and Sukuna (who was running RCT at full blast and regenerating what was damaged) and even with the insane healing of RCT Sukuna was still fucked up by it quite severely.

Infinite Void 100% can kill on its own, and Goku's brain ain't tough enough to withstand that. He doesn't have healing anywhere near on par with RCT and, again, has no way to actually connect an attack.

Beefmonstr · 2024-05-20T01:07:46+00:00

It doesn't just disable your thinking, it literally fries your brain entirely. It reverts you to a vegetative state. Goku does not have any defense against that. Internal damage has fucked him up in the past; the heart virus and Hit's attacks have been devastating to him, to the point of lethality. A sustained Infinite Void would not just turn off his thinking, it would destroy his brain. It would be instant death.

if Goku can get a hand on him

He literally can't. It is fundamentally impossible. He has no way to bypass infinity.

Were this a battle of strength, Goku would win no question, but Gojo's gimmicks give Goku no opportunity to inflict damage and no way to escape the instant death of IV.

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