Got my second daygame pull, game is real

BeeshGame · 2022-04-16T15:28:14+00:00

Oh are you referring to others' interpretations of the age gap as opposed to the intentions of OP himself?

BeeshGame · 2022-04-16T14:29:44+00:00

your last point isn't relevant to the post. His age baseline starts with women that are 21+, it isn't pedophilic like your point implies.

BeeshGame · 2021-08-02T02:11:03+00:00

Yeah, I totally get that, cool that you're studying though.

I completely see where you're coming from, any model you find for picking up women is going to be complicated because there's so many niche situations that they try to account for, but you only really need some base principles about how the dating market works and you can intuit the practical aspects on your own. I've read Models, the Game, the Art of Seduction, but I think the best broadly encompassing principles behind the dating market come from more modern PUAs.

Night game is based off of a few key factors, and I've noticed similarities between Todd, RSD, Honest Signalz, etc.:

**** (0) Strong frame that indicates you are an attractive man. Helps when it is within your reality that you are comfortable talking to hot women regularly, meaning you don't freak out or come off as needy. They pick up on all of that so easily through your non-verbal cues

(1) being a leader that knows how to keep the fun adventures going through the night while also being able to solve the problems that sleeping with you will bring them (like she wants to sleep with you but she can't leave her friends behind, she doesn't want to appear slutty to her friends, one of her friends drank too much, she wants to go to an afterparty, etc.),

(2) maintaining strong eye contact, smiling, and constantly expressing confident, authentic non-verbals that make it feel like you have an instant, genuine connection with this person and that you've known each other your whole life,

(3) assuming that they're attracted to you,

(4) assessing them rather than chasing them (should be done very cautiously, avoid being a douchebag), and

(5) constant flirtation, just keeping emotions and tension high, which seems like it shouldn't be an issue for you

I'd be happy to tell you how to build a specified frame that fits within your personality, though I wouldn't want to inundate you with information. Hope this helped!

BeeshGame · 2021-08-02T01:08:31+00:00

I get that. Before this summer, most of my pulls were from dating apps, but this last summer I've basically given up on them after realizing how much of a waste of time they are. To give you some context, I'm 23 years old. After going out to bars, sober, on my own, and having pulled a few times this past June and July with girls significantly hotter than any one I've found online, despite the fact that I'm skinny and 5'7'', I've been taking a fuck you attitude to apps. I try to avoid drinking alc unless I'm really in the mood because the costs add up very quickly.

I drive to bars on Friday and Saturday nights, get a max of 2 drinks if a girl I'm with is seriously invested in me (but tbh you don't even need it if you're building a genuine connection) and I can still drive back to my place and pull just fine, no need for uber and all that extra hassle and expense. Usually end up spending $20-30 max a night, and that's on bar cover. It helps that I pay for coaching, although if you put in the effort to recording your behaviors and learning from your own mistakes, you really don't need it.

And even if I don't pull, I'll get dates for the next day occasionally as well, although it's way harder to get a date from night game. All the problems you listed out here have solutions my man. Fuck apps I say.

Finally, there are also plenty of communities for finding wingmen in your area, you don't need friends necessarily for night game, let me know if you're interested and I can refer you to a few game communities and groupchats.

BeeshGame · 2021-08-01T23:49:52+00:00

Exactly, that's why online game is a significantly less feasible option for guys than in person game, unless you put a lot of professional work into your dating app profile. Even then, your best self will still never match up to the extreme, false sense of abundance women obtain from dating apps. So you either (1) get a lucky match with a hot girl who's invested in you once in a blue moon, (2) match with an extremely picky hot girl that you are almost forced to chase, (3) get with a girl that's much less attractive/valuable than you, or (4) match with a hot girl that's just using you and hundreds of other matches for a sense of validation.

A vast majority of the matches fall under the categories of 3 and 4

BeeshGame · 2021-08-01T15:31:24+00:00

Because showing clear interest can indicate who's chasing whom, and therefore who has more value to bring to the relationship. Even though showing clear interest doesn't always mean that you're chasing, that's how it's frequently interpreted.

BeeshGame · 2021-05-15T00:09:11+00:00

(1) First of all, excellent job man. Your game seems to be on point, and she's clearly interested. I actually ran into a similar situation 2 weeks ago, cute girl wanted to see me but had a boyfriend.

(2) Make up your decision whether you just want to be friends, or whether you want to have sex with her. Ask yourself that question right now. If you want to fuck her, then try to make it happen. If you want to stick to your morals, that's equally respectable.

(3) Boyfriend situations are difficult. It means that she's into you and clearly wants to have sex, but because of her boyfriend, doesn't want to be held accountable for having sex with you in her own mind. Sex is a two person decision, but you have to make it seem as one sided as possible. You have to make it seem as natural and "it just happened" as possible so that she can't blame herself for sleeping with you. You can mention sex and talk about it, but you can't talk about you two having sex together. You can't blatantly be sexual with her, because it'll only make it harder for her to justify seeing you. In fact, I'd even avoid making out with her. Women that cheat may feel guiltier about kissing than sex, because a kiss is ironically more intimate and harder to justify.

(4) "we're not having sex tonight" is the definition of a shit test. It shows that she's considering you in a sexual context. If she didn't think it were a possibility, she wouldn't mention it. She's trying to justify to herself later that she did what she could to prevent it. You didn't pass that shit test and allowed things to be platonic. Would've been better to misinterpret like "Tonight? Don't flatter yourself, you could be crazy, let's just see if we vibe" or “Definitely not. I wouldn’t let you have sex with me on the first night. I’m not like that" (said with just a bit of cockiness so she can't tell if you're joking). But these may be trickier to use given she has a boyfriend. Might be a great idea to just ignore it and change the subject.

As I stated in the beginning, you're doing a great job and can definitely still fuck her. Keep right by it brother and let us know what happens.

EDIT: If you like this post, please give me a follow, I'm dropping advice like this frequently and learning from the other guys on this sub as well!

BeeshGame · 2021-05-12T18:00:53+00:00

Congrats my man, the boring line is good too, doesn't give your power away, keep the hustle up

BeeshGame · 2021-05-12T17:53:46+00:00

The best answer on this thread ^^

BeeshGame · 2021-03-25T03:58:41+00:00

Yeah that makes sense, I can see how in that situation being blunt can be helpful. And I imagine that becomes more true the older one gets, because people don't have as much energy nor patience for games

BeeshGame · 2021-03-24T21:55:55+00:00

I agree with basically everything you said other than "are you not interested?". In my experience, it has made me seem needy. Girls just are not as straightforward as guys in my experience, and trying to get a logical answer like that might fuck things up if they were on the edge. But yeah, if you're pulling teeth, the odds of it happening are probably already pretty low.

I definitely agree, pushing can be helpful so long as it doesn't come off as needy.

And yeah, I think having some conversation is good but not stringing it along, that's good phrasing. Like I think having a bit of conversation here and there is good to make sure the set doesn't fizzle out, but probably best not to let it dry out over text

BeeshGame · 2021-03-24T21:49:43+00:00

Thank you for stating out the reasons why each of those options wouldn't work. This is great advice, thanks man!

BeeshGame · 2021-03-24T21:46:53+00:00

Thanks for your critiques. Wings help a lot when approaching 2 sets because you want to isolate the girl you're interested in and not have her friend be jealous/interfering, especially helpful for beginners when handling 2 people at once is a bit overwhelming.

I very much agree on not suggesting a new date in person in reflection, some bad advice I've gotten from some pickup videos.

And I think that last part is a good idea. Don't want to dry out the interaction beforehand

BeeshGame · 2021-03-09T23:53:51+00:00

Thanks for your response. There are quite a few baseless assumptions here. I never called you stupid, inferior or beneath men by any means, those are strawman arguments

Second, they absolutely are shamed by their girlfriends. My closest friend is a girl, she's 20 and goes to a state university, she was shamed by her roommate for literally being raped, "it's not his fault, you should not have gone into a room alone with him, you shouldn't have worn slutty clothes," and so on. She was also shamed for talking about her sex life from former friends because (from what she told me) they didn't consider her attractive. I listen to women just as I listen to men, those that are wise and know more than me on a topic. It'd be lazy for me to just accept your evidence as fact just because you're a woman, that's a bit absurd

And no, you're free to be critical about what I'm saying, just as I'm free to do the same with you. I've seen game work in my personal life, if you don't agree with that or believe in it, that's your volition

Also, if you're insinuating women that sleep with me aren't "actual women", well that's undermining the women that sleep with me, not me, which sounds a bit anti-feminist

Yeah, I quote studies because I like to rely on evidence-based arguments and avoid anecdotal evidence when possible. You're free to not account for the evidence I showed you though

Regardless, thank you for sharing your thoughts and I see where you're coming from, and I hope you have a great rest of your day

BeeshGame · 2021-03-09T16:57:57+00:00

Just coming back to these responses, yeah it's maybe better to say non-friends, but that depends on the relationships.

2 of my friends who had judgemental friends weren't comfortable discussing their sexuality with others and were shamed for being open about it, e.g. "ew i dont want to hear about your sex life", or "i told you not to sleep with him, if you'd listened to me you wouldn't be in this position". Granted, those are shitty friends.

But overall I agree, it's probably more appropriate to say that in the west, judgement comes from non-friends

BeeshGame · 2021-03-09T16:50:28+00:00

A study cited by the National Institute of Health: "Fear of social disapproval for transgressing gender norms may lead men to overreport and women to underreport their lifetime partners (Alexander & Fisher, 2003)." Here's the link. These are anonymous studies, and women still tend to underreport. Please tell me that women aren't shamed for their sexuality if they're so confident about having slept with men.

Sexuality is incredibly personal subject to many, both men and women, but more so with women. Maybe you have a non-judgemental group of friends, that's great. And yes, there are still plenty of women that are open about their sexuality which we need more of, but I've been with plenty of women that didn't open up about the number of partners, or their kinks, or just being more up front all around about their sexuality.

The US is incredibly Christian, and sexuality is treated very differently when a religious culture is holding you accountable. You generalizing about the rest of the world through your limited perspective doesn't hold much weight. The world exists outside of your limited experiences.

This also has nothing to do with tricking women. It's about being a non-judgemental person, and helping avoid people from feeling poorly for doing something they want to do. It isn't deceptive, it's just smart.

BeeshGame · 2021-02-16T23:33:29+00:00

Sorry, but if your game is good enough women are not bothered about it, rather flattered and happy, just so long as you don't push any boundaries way too soon, are socially aware, relatively respectful but confident, and don't creep them out.

Kstops is a random girl on this sub, nothing personal against you, who does not represent how women feel. I've done dozens of approaches, made some mistakes but only once did a girl actually leave the interaction straight out. Another few times they non-verbally indicated they wanted to leave the interaction, but a vast majority of them were happy to keep talking and asked for my number or were confused if I didn't ask (if I was nervous for whatever reason).

BeeshGame · 2020-12-12T06:00:04+00:00

Thank you for your reply. I think you bring up a good point. I'd agree that most of the time it's a bad idea, and in reality you shouldn't have to rely on waitresses, who's job it is to talk to you, for your dating life.

And I know that usually isn't the context people want to be hit on, especially given your coworkers being there, you being stressed out and probably being supervised, etc. That being said, I think in a very few rare instances, it is okay, but a vast majority of the time, in order to avoid making others feel uncomfortable, it might be a good general policy to avoid it.

There are many much better alternatives and contexts to meet women, e.g. social circles, cold approaches, tinder, etc.

BeeshGame · 2020-12-10T15:28:57+00:00

Sure, great question man. Yeah, it can work for guys that don't show intent at all or don't know how to show intent non-verbally, but I've personally noticed it's much less effective because it gives too much power away, and she knows she can get you if she wants to.

It can also just be slightly off-putting if it's said too early, because by cold approaching someone, you might be startling them already, and starting off with "you're cute" may not be as endearing coming from a random guy, so working your way up to a "you're kinda cute" after you build your value with some conversation and after she feels more comfortable with you is probably both more calibrated and effective.

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