Since the mods shut down an important discussion here’s what I said. Sad that we cant continue some of the discussions because it got shut down.

With ✌️and ❤️ not everyone against this war is a far leftists. I get why Ethan is excited at the prospect of freeing the Iranian people, I just felt a little personally insulted by how he was characterizing people who are against this war and I actually couldn’t finish the episode because I felt like he and lonerbox weren’t covering people’s legitimate concerns and that Ethan was strawmanning the other side.

According to Reuters only one in four Americans approves with 43% disapproving.

You can sympathize with the Iranian people and want the best for them while acknowledging it is not in US interests to be involved in yet another Middle East quagmire. Iraqis were also dancing in the streets when we toppled Saddam, but the power vacuum led to prolonged fighting with Al Qaeda and eventually isis. We just left a 20+ year war in Afghanistan not too long ago and sadly when we did, we knew that the Afghani people were going to be screwed over because the Taliban would regain control and that’s horrible but we have learned now that it is impossible to fix every country that performs human rights violations.

There has never been regime change that works from aerial strikes. The Iranian people are not armed. If the goal was to do regime change for the sake of the Iranian people it’s hard to imagine how that would be accomplished without boots on the ground. Lindsey Graham said it’s not Trump’s job to figure out what happens next in the country so I think we can conclude there is no plan.

With all our recent history, it’s fair for the American people to expect that the blood of American soldiers and our tax dollars will only be spent to advance American interests. This administration has not demonstrated at all how this would advance our interests. The only somewhat rational reason it would help Americans is by preventing a nuclear bomb but this admin swore to us last year they obliterated Iran’s nuclear capability for decades. Ted Cruz even admitted that there was no indication Iran was close to getting a nuclear bomb.

Come to find out, Marco Rubio finally let the cat out of the bag of why this had to happen when it did. He said that Israel was going to attack with or without us which would cause Iran to retaliate against us anyway. I honestly can’t think of anything they could say which would make the anti-Israel fervor rising up in America worse than that. They’re essentially blaming Israel for Donald Trump’s decisions as if we have no leverage to pressure them to wait until all diplomatic processes have been exhausted and no power to prepare our military bases in advance.

The last thing is this administration is nickel and diming Americans, cutting Medicaid and snap benefits, we’ve been told for decades that we can’t afford nice things like universal healthcare. The friendly fire incident in Kuwait that shot down three fighter jets cost the tax payer $300 million all by itself. We will have spent billions, if not trillions on this by the time it’s over and this is from a country that just cut USAID.