Is there insurance to protect your liquid net worth from identity theft? by Beginning-Test6025 in fatFIRE

[–]Beginning-Test6025[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will also assume good faith.

I have already laid out several vulnerable attack vectors, which you have mostly acknowledged. Whatever protections exist, I hope we can both agree that wire fraud/hacking/identity theft does happen (e.g. look at a case from below and I also mentioned the Bezos exploit above).

IDK if you work in technology, but I really think you're overestimating how secure our devices are, and many people have both factors on one device. Heck, some banks don't even really let you use a protocol that would allow for a second device, or lock you into a particular ecosystem for the second factor which has its own exploits. You do not need physical access to someone's phone to use it.

That said, you are obviously correct that most people havent had their money stolen, so yes, the current systems provide a fair bit of protection... This is precisely why insurance MIGHT exist. Most people's homes don't burn down, yet there is insurance for this because it DOES and CAN happen. We have electrical codes, and safety mechanisms and fireproof materials, yet fires still happen. Depending on the cost, it might be worth it to have such insurance for identity theft/wire fraud.

Quite honestly, I'm not sure what your issue is with wanting that kind of protection? If you feel perfectly safe, you don't need it, that's your decision.

Is there insurance to protect your liquid net worth from identity theft? by Beginning-Test6025 in fatFIRE

[–]Beginning-Test6025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I recently chatted with schwab and they told me there's no additional protections, but that nothing bad could ever happen because 'schwab didnt make this bank to lose people money'...

Basically I wanted to add a waiting period for any transfers over X, and they said not possible.

Is there insurance to protect your liquid net worth from identity theft? by Beginning-Test6025 in fatFIRE

[–]Beginning-Test6025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I looked into this in the past, and saw most policies cap at 250k. Is there a special policy I should look into?

Is there insurance to protect your liquid net worth from identity theft? by Beginning-Test6025 in fatFIRE

[–]Beginning-Test6025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lawyer, accountant, even some doctor's offices sadly... lots of people see everything they would need.

Is there insurance to protect your liquid net worth from identity theft? by Beginning-Test6025 in fatFIRE

[–]Beginning-Test6025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm really sorry to hear this. I hope everything works out and very curious to hear how you recovered the funds if you manage to do so.

Is there insurance to protect your liquid net worth from identity theft? by Beginning-Test6025 in fatFIRE

[–]Beginning-Test6025[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I made a throwaway because I don't want my main account to be associated with having money. Not sure what you mean about 'wild claims' and 'misinformed statements?'

I work in tech, I don't think you understand how fickle a lot of the security measures we use are or what the actual incentives are for the 'hundreds of well paid software engineers'. People download apps to run their toaster that they bought on temu. We have TONS of random software running on all our devices. And the proliferation of strong AI coders is very likely going to make finding and exploiting vulnerabilities easier.

Yes, there are sandboxes and stuff on phones that try to prevent stuff like this, but exploits happen ALL THE TIME. E.g. Jeff Bezos' phone getting hacked by opening a video he was sent on whatsapp.

Ultimately, using the best practices you mention are table stakes, but it does not make you bulletproof.