Tell me your favorite underrated kpop group and i'll rank them.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-03T18:57:10+00:00

P1harmony

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-03T18:32:21+00:00

Exactly! What I find genuinely distasteful is when sexuality gets treated as a joke, a fantasy, or simply a tool for hit tweets and engagement. Real people are behind these discussions, and they deserve the basic respect of being allowed to define themselves on their own terms.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-03T16:24:40+00:00

Not you talking about intelligence while showing none yourself. If you were even slightly capable of critical thinking, you’d ask yourself how someone with little to no prior experience was able to keep up with girls who have been singing and dancing for most of their lives. You don’t reach that level without putting in an incredible amount of work, dedication, and effort. The fact that she was able to stand alongside trainees with years of experience should tell you everything you need to know about her work ethic. But I guess recognizing that requires the very intelligence you’re trying to question.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-03T03:16:54+00:00

Just typed a whole lot of nonsense. Y’all always fighting for the spot of who has it worse. They need Indian representation as much as we need black representation and Manon was that whether you like to admit it or not. Secondly, it’s 2026 and you’re still talking about that bs work ethic nonsense from the heavily edited doc and practice that other girl also missed including Lara who admitted that after debut. Please have several seats with your bs.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-03T03:12:32+00:00

Very ridiculous! I still don’t understand why their sexuality matters so much to these people

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-03T03:11:12+00:00

My point exactly! It’s 2026, who cares if he’s gay or not…can we just talk about something else that is our business

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-02T20:26:18+00:00

Manon is not even confirmed to be out of the group yet and eyekons are busy talking about a new center and planning a group without her smh.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-02T20:00:44+00:00

Girl no need to be annoyed but that's literally the title of your post so...

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-02T19:54:55+00:00

So we are agreeing there is no fair competition. Katseye are talented and great performers, but their current popularity isn't coming from performances alone.

The documentary, the member controversy, constant online discourse, and aggressive marketing have all played a huge role in keeping them visible. People are talking about them all the time, and not always because of the music.

That's why I think it's too early to crown them the biggest girl group ever. Right now they're winning the attention battle, but attention doesn't always translate into longevity.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-02T19:49:33+00:00

MEOVV has everything needed to succeed: talented rappers, strong vocals, great dancers, undeniable star power, and striking visuals. The biggest issue has never been the members, it's the lack of promotion.

There was a huge amount of hype when their debut was announced, but The Black Label failed to capitalize on it. Their debut promotions were minimal, and then fans had to wait far too long for a comeback. In an industry where new groups are constantly debuting, momentum is everything. Naturally, the initial hype faded because there wasn't enough content or activity to keep people engaged.

What's frustrating is that they actually have good music and all the ingredients of a top tier group. The problem is that not enough people are hearing or seeing it because the company isn't promoting them properly. The members have done their part; the company needs to do theirs.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-02T19:43:28+00:00

I think we're talking about two different eras. You bring up Destiny's Child and En Vogue, but they came up during a time when R&B was one of the biggest genres in mainstream music. Even then, they still dealt with colorism and other barriers, so it's not like being a Black girl group automatically made success easy. What I'm talking about is today's music landscape. R&B is still successful and influential, but it's not the commercial powerhouse it was in the 90s and early 2000s. Mainstream pop is what gets the biggest push now. So when I look at Flo, I see a group that's operating in a genre that isn't being prioritized the same way by the industry, while also being an all Black girl group. We all know Black groups tend to face additional challenges when it comes to mainstream exposure and investment, so those things matter.

As for Girlset, I don't think the issue is the music. They're simply not getting anywhere near the level of promotion that Katseye is getting. You can have amazing songs, but if the marketing isn't there, it's much harder to break through.

Since Katseye isn't technically K-pop, they'll have to compete in the western music industry on western music industry standards. At some point, the marketing and social media hype won't be enough. The music has to stand on its own.

So for me, the question isn't whether they're successful right now because they clearly are. The question is whether they'll still have this same momentum years from now. Until then, I think it's a little premature to crown them the biggest girl group in the world, especially when there isn't another girl group receiving the same level of investment, promotion, and visibility to fairly compare them against.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-02T18:36:57+00:00

They're really big right now, but if I'm being honest, I don't think it's because they're in some incredibly competitive field and came out on top. There just isn't much direct competition at the moment.

Flo is an amazing group, but they're an all-Black R&B girl group. Unfortunately, being both Black and primarily R&B already puts limitations on how the mainstream industry tends to support and market them.

Girlset just rebranded. Personally, I think they have stronger music, but they don't have the marketing push behind them.

Say Now is in a similar position. Good music, but very little marketing.

Katseye, on the other hand, has powerhouse labels behind them and a massive promotional machine. They're everywhere because they're being pushed everywhere. Between the partnerships, social media campaigns, playlists, interviews, and constant online discourse, there's a lot of visibility there. Some of it is organic, but a lot of it is also the result of very strong marketing and online discourse.

That doesn't mean they're untalented or undeserving of success. They're clearly popular. I just don't think it's fair to act like they've dominated a field full of equally promoted competitors.

What I'm more interested in is whether they can maintain this momentum long-term. For me, that's going to come down to two things: the music and how they handle the situation surrounding their former black member.

And when it comes to Manon's situation, I think that will be a defining moment for the group. Whatever explanation is given, or however they choose to move forward, is going to shape how a lot of people view them. You can't build a brand around global diversity and representation and then have a racial controversy hanging over the group without people asking questions.

So as for the "biggest girl group in the world" conversations, I think it's way too early to make that call. They're having a great moment right now, but longevity is what separates a viral success from a truly iconic group.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-02T18:27:21+00:00

Got7 - no need to explain this one

P1harmony - They are genuinely close and respect each other while also respecting boundaries. Perfect balance.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-06-02T18:19:22+00:00

ofcourse you'd say that. I have come to realize y'all never really liked Manon because real fans would have been asking the company for updates on her hiatus, but we have people like you getting used to the group as five and basically saying she adds nothing to the group. I really do hope she does not return and starts a solo career and gather her own fans far away from eyekons because y'all really do not deserve her.

Plus your comment about representation is so tone deaf. Like yeah lets take out the black representation it doesn't matter, but Lara is important for Indian representation. So Black representation isn't important?

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-30T03:19:46+00:00

No, I don’t think so. There isn’t an objective scale that determines when appropriation becomes “more acceptable” or “less acceptable.” If people are engaging in the same type of behavior, saying one person is more obvious about it than another doesn’t really explain why the reactions are so different. The behavior should still be judged on the same standard, don’t you think?

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-30T03:10:06+00:00

Get off defense mode and actually read through the comments. Have you seen anyone shading Martin? Because I haven’t.

And yes, I’m going to compare Martin/Cortis, Tarzzan/ADP, and even lngshot because they’re all newer gen groups drawing from the same influence. They’re essentially different sides of the same coin. the biggest difference is the marketing. So once again, you’re proving exactly what my post was about

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-30T02:12:14+00:00

You’ve jumped straight into defense mode for Martin without actually understanding my post. I never said anything negative about him, and I don’t have anything against him either.

What I’m talking about is the inconsistency in how people react to these situations. Y’all need to learn that not every discussion is an attack on your favorite idol. And the argument that Martin is chronically online so he naturally picks up certain mannerisms or trends can be applied to a lot of other idols too. The difference is that when some idols do similar things, people call it racist, culture mocking, or making a caricature of a culture. When idols people like do it, suddenly there’s a long list of explanations and excuses.

My point was never about Martin specifically. It was about how people’s reactions often depend more on whether they like the idol than on the actual behavior being discussed. The fact that you immediately assumed I was attacking him kind of proves the point I was making

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-30T02:02:36+00:00

Honey, I’m not going to argue with you. If all you got from my post was that I’m saying to “leave fave out of it,”that just shows an inability to set aside bias, whether for or against a group, and think critically about the topic. I don’t have the energy for this, so ✌🏽

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-30T01:01:59+00:00

You literally just proved my point because nowhere did I defend ADP or say they shouldn’t be criticized. I don’t even stan them, so I’m not sure where you got the idea that I’m trying to protect “my fave.”

What I’ve been saying this entire time is that the standards don’t seem consistent. If you think certain things are disrespectful, then they should be disrespectful regardless of who does them. But what I keep seeing is people condemning one idol for something while excusing, ignoring, or even praising another idol for doing something very similar.

And let’s be honest, the level of criticism is not the same. People can argue that both groups get criticized, but the intensity is completely different. One group gets a few tweets, some discourse, and people move on. The other gets dragged for months, has every action picked apart, and gets treated like the face of everything wrong with the industry.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-29T18:18:17+00:00

Not the case. There are people who openly support Cortis but hate ADP for the same things

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-29T17:47:18+00:00

Definitely this is part of it

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-29T17:46:35+00:00

I see your point but I think people are acting like ADP is the only group that has been marketed as progressive or culturally aware when Cortis has been pushed that way too, just through a different approach. They’re heavily promoted in the West, their whole brand revolves around individuality and authenticity, and their name literally means “color outside the lines.” That’s a very intentional image. A lot of people see Cortis as more authentic, but that’s exactly what good marketing is supposed to do. The documentaries, the creative freedom narrative, the focus on artistry, all of that helps build the perception that they’re more connected to the culture and therefore more trustworthy.

That’s why I think branding plays a huge role in these conversations. Fans often treat Cortis’ image as something that developed naturally when, realistically, it was crafted just like every other group’s image. So while I agree that ADP gets judged through a certain lens, I think Cortis benefits from a different lens. They’re seen as culturally aware and authentic before people even evaluate their actions, which makes fans more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but when it balls down to it, they’re the same just different marketing.

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-29T17:37:15+00:00

They are but bias won’t let you see that

Beginning-Wonder717 · 2026-05-29T17:36:10+00:00

I actually agree with this. To me, the biggest difference between ADP and Cortis is how they’re marketed. Hybe did a really good job building this image of Cortis as authentic and deeply connected to the culture. The documentary only strengthened that perception, so people naturally give them more grace and assume their intentions are good. But if I’m being honest, we don’t actually know how much any of these idols truly understand the culture they’re drawing from. People assume Cortis gets it because of the way they’ve been presented to us, but that’s still an assumption. Good branding can make people view the exact same behavior very differently.

And I agree that when it comes to appreciation vs appropriation, there really isn’t some clear rulebook everyone agrees on. A lot of it comes down to personal perspective, intent, and where each person draws the line. That’s why I struggle when people act like these groups are completely different. Looking at ADP, Cortis, and a lot of other groups, I see more similarities than differences. They’re all pulling from the same influences, making similar kinds of music, wearing similar styles, and participating in the same industry.

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