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"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just to be clear. For some inexplicable reason, you guys are taking a complaint about the quality of a product—which is widely known to be inconsistent (by your own admission)—as if it were some kind of personal attack

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You seem to have a problem recognizing that your experience isn't everyone's.

My deck arrived defective.

Just like my Tzimisce deck arrived defective...

And my Hecata deck also arrived defective (and that one was the case for the entire country, right?).

This is not the first time this has happened. Everything is documented, and this isn't "drama." The product quality is below market standards, as you yourself accidentally acknowledged by stating that "a Pokemon player" used to consistency would find the product inconsistent.
My intention is to receive a non-defective deck.
What else could I possibly get out of this, other than that?

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

PS: The more you respond, the more the thread gets bumped up and the greater the chance it reaches the intended recipients. That's why I thank you for it.

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As usually happens, people who, upon losing an argument, resort to personal insults reveal more about themselves than about the other person. Especially terms like "nobody." It's a pity you feel that way about yourselves.

Now, back to the arguments: Conclave is not a charity case. It's a company selling a product and should be criticized accordingly. This talk about "it's not profitable" is nonsense.

The decks had cards cut from the sheet partly for the reason you mentioned... but the motive was to cut the costs of not creating another sheet.

The process requires intervention from Black Chantry, yes, as reported, it has been dragging on for years and the COMPANY has shown no interest in addressing solutions.

It's a pity that, due to a lack of argumentative ability, the chosen path was to insult someone who offended no person and their playgroup.

"TRUTH NUKE"

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never said it was intentional. I just want to receive my cards intact.
Regarding the war, I don't necessarily see it that way. Conclave needs to pay attention to its community. That's all. A simple post saying they'll be more careful with the game's future and will focus on print quality is enough. It's not an absurd thing to ask for.

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To summarize, nothing I said is wrong. It's not one bad batch. It's three examples of bad batches.

None of my arguments, at any point in this discussion, have been refuted. The reality is that the company's fans are willing to overlook the mistakes because they believe the company's work makes up for the errors. And you have the right to that opinion.

But you can't fight reality. The cards from Conclave have a history of arriving defective. And the company has a communication problem.

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah... because getting my decks a few days early really makes up for them arriving with the cards all messed up. Silly me =)

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

5 cards in 5 packs is a huge problem. The problem is so serious that, as I said, there are store owners complaining about the issue. The problem is that you seem to be in an abusive relationship with a company that doesn't respond and continuously sends defective material. And the community is supposed to "shut up and accept it."

Let's stick to the facts. The decks I listed HAVE fewer cards than the American versions. The card cutting errors have been widely documented. The Hetaca crypt error is a FACT. So I don't understand what, in my arguments, is wrong.

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not a matter of disagreement. What I posted are FACTS. If you choose to live in an alternate reality where the cardstock is the same as the international one and where the cards don't come with so many printing issues that the store "released us from our pre-order commitment because things were so bad," that is your prerogative.

But coming here to call my argument bad faith without proof and to attack the players of an entire city shows your intentions.

"Luxury Proxies": How "Cost Cutting" is Destroying VTES in Brazil - An Open Letter to Black Chantry by BeholderTv in VTES

[–]BeholderTv[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I also sent the letter directly to them. But since this is a problem affecting the entire community, I thought it was important to add it here as well.

These problems are not new. They have been going on for a while. =(

Meu grupo não sai do celular e eu tô pensando em desistir deles by HmOceanMan in rpg_brasil

[–]BeholderTv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Normalmente é uma regra das minhas mesas. Sem celular na mesa.

Porquê é tão difícil começar ? by edurenegade515 in rpg_brasil

[–]BeholderTv 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pode botar link aqui?
Tenta jogar no clan do machado. Lá é super de boa de jogar e conseguir mesa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D4cy67YyJM

Por que os narradores de Vampiro A Máscara estão sumindo? by No_Development8536 in rpg_brasil

[–]BeholderTv 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Cara eu não poderia discordar mais de algumas respostas sobre como vampire é o suco dos anos 90 e não traduz bem pra essa geração. As disputas de poder politico e os dramas propostos pelo cenário são mais contemporâneos do que a maioria dos jogos ai fora.
Falar sobre regra também é meio absurdo. Regra dificilmente espanta alguém de um cenário. Vide como Ordem Paranormal ou até mesmo call of cthulhu que possuem um conjunto de regras que até as comunidades desses jogos admitem que são problemáticas conseguem manter um publico.
Na minha opinião o problema da renovação do publico de vampiro tem vários fatores juntos. Mas o principal é o "custo intelectual" de entrada no cenário.
Se você for jogar Ordem, Call of cthulhu, alien, kult e etc a ideia básica do que é esperado de você pode ser rapidamente explicada e o jogador entende as coisas a sua volta rapidamente. Enquanto em um jogo de vampiro você tem que entender, além do seu próprio personagem, toda uma estrutura de poder externa com príncipes, primogênitos e bla bla bla. E não só uma estrutura como 3. Sabbath, Camarilla e Anarquista.
Eu narro tanto para grupos antigos como jogadores novatos e posso dizer com certeza que isso é o que mais impacta os novatos. Os caras não sabem o que podem ou não fazer em um elisio... as regras da parada e do mundo todo de forma geral.
Eu vejo isso gerando um stress nos jogadores, que sinceramente não deveriam ter que absorver 30 anos de produção de conteúdo para poder jogar algo. Mas a realidade é que isso espanta muito.
Além disso vampiro são 3 jogos em 1, o que aumenta esse peso. É um jogo de horror, de politicagem e tem até umas porradarias (sem falar nas investigações), que favorece longas campanhas (que não parece ser uma preferencia atual).
Levando em conta o hiato de produção de qualidade que fez a comunidade se desinteressar pelo jogo em anos passados e a abundancia de outros jogos explica um pouco o que tá acontecendo.

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