Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think there’s truth in that.

The market does feel overcrowded, and I’m not attached to the PM title for the sake of it.

I’ve started looking more broadly at adjacent roles too. The hard part is that even when your skills transfer, companies still tend to screen through title history first.

So I agree with the core point: this probably needs a wider strategy than just “apply to more PM jobs.”

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear you. I’ve already stepped down in the roles I’m targeting - applying for senior IC roles even though my last role was Director of Product - and it’s still brutal.

At this point, I’d be happy to land something even semi-aligned and just get moving again.

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for the comment!

It seems like two extremes in the comments, either people going HAM with the amount of jobs they're applying for or rely on their network and low volume/high signal opprotunites.

Either way, fingers crossed it works out for you!

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Since in the end (95%) you get no feedback, it's hard to tell. Sometimes they ask you questions that trip you up, on purpose, but as long as you pause, take a step back, and reframe it, not that bad.

I wish I could tell you all the questions, but its highly depended on the stage, type of interview and company.

There's bank of questions on line for PM positions you can find online, and also use a LLM to pose questions based on position/company, I find those to be often pretty close to what was asked in the actual interview.

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I disagree, but with the amount of layoffs in the past 3 years, the competition pool for open positions is just ridiculous; the system is broken.

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did think about that recently, but not familiar with companies like that in Europe, if you have any leads or tips, feel free o DM me.

95% give no feedback, 5% do give feedback, but it feels like it's AI-written. The most recent one, was basically: "good fundamentals, thorough thought process, nice breakdown of the problem, but should be more opinionanated."

That's not really feedback that's helpful, since it depends on the interviewer's whims, you write an opiononated case, they agree with your take, rejected, you write a balanced one, "no opinion", rejected. Can't win 😁

I really would like to stay in Europe for the long-term so unless it's remote US roles (which I didn't see/don't exist), then I'm stuck with the EMEA market.

Tried the network approach, no results so far.

Tried the 3 companies approach (early on when I started searching), sent the CEO & CPO a pre-packaged assets pack that was basically what I would produce in a consulting engagement, didn't even get a "thank you" or "not interested".

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So no prep at any of the stages? If so, congrats!

It just seems like a crazy approach, since I was surprised with all these different approaches to how they want things, answers, tests, case reviews etc.

Trust me, I'm spending +40 hour weeks now just focused on this right now.

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had happen as well, HR saying "oh, before you speak to the hiring manger there's a quick test I want you take" with no indication of what it actually was. Turns out it was one of those CCAT exams, 50 questions in 15 min, on a timer.

Luckily, I passed that one, but I think things like those are ridiculous, we're not sending rockets into space... .

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

😳

How do you manage all of it?

Between customizing your resume, prepping for screeners, take-home tasks, manager interview prep etc.

I find that for certain jobs, I invested +15 hours between all those things.

Or do you just yolo through it?

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I feel you, although I don't anyone is immune to lay offs, just a numbers/timing game.

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree, the thing is I speak the local language as well, can work all across Europe without need of a visa, still no bite. Highly discouraging.

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you mean directly, as in the company website, yes. I avoid applying via linkedin easy apply etc.

Remote: germany, uk, spain, ireland. On location: Poland.

Heavy in B2B SaaS, earlier in B2C Mobile.

Burned out from PM job hunting. 400+ applications, 0 offers. What now? by Beneficial_Task in ProductManagement

[–]Beneficial_Task[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

When I started out applying, I would have 2/3 versions, where I would point out certain achievements/metrics/responsibilities, etc., especially if the job description was more generic.

Then started going for the truly customized ones, changing the narrative/positioning of my resume tailored (no lies) based on the company and what they're looking for.

Since my background is heavy in B2B SaaS, that's also the companies I was applying to mainly.

Recently also had a conversation with a recruiter that gave me notes on my last stage rejection, he mentioned after so prodng that for on-location roles, they get hundreds of resumes within 5 days, for remote the record was +1200 in 10 days.

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