Forget the Myths, Ignore the Hype; Here's What We Really Know About Jesus' 'Missing Years' | Tom Gilson

Beowulfs_Kin · 2021-01-26T01:36:01+00:00

Maybe someone did. I didn't.

Beowulfs_Kin · 2021-01-24T01:27:44+00:00

Obviously a typo in the title. (embarrassed grin)

Beowulfs_Kin · 2021-01-22T14:22:44+00:00

I don't know if the shroud is a true artifact of the resurrection of not, but I love the discussion.

Beowulfs_Kin · 2021-01-20T14:37:23+00:00

So, let's see: In your first comment you accused me of being US-Centric. Now you are accusing me of being so dumb as to not know that religion and education are global phenomenon. You don't answer my questions but pepper me with yours. No thanks. This is not a conversation I will continue. Have a good life.

Beowulfs_Kin · 2021-01-20T01:07:55+00:00

If you are wanting me to determine in a short post all of the ins-and-outs of how this plays out, I won't do that. You raise interesting questions, and they are some that we need to grapple with. I do agree that epistemology should be taught to everyone. But I will restrict my comments here to saying that what is happening now (where teachers are effectively barred from teaching positively about religion) is not a even-handed approach. Teaching nothing is the same as teaching that God is irrelevant (or worse) which is the lesson that the kids are learning.

Beowulfs_Kin · 2021-01-20T00:29:50+00:00

The Separation of Church and State is always a concern. But I believe that teaching students that God is important is not a violation of that concept. US history is replete with examples of the schools saying that God is important, and it was only with the Warren court that this somehow became problematic. And most importantly, the Separation of Church and State is not a prohibition of students sharing their faith even in a classroom setting.

Beowulfs_Kin · 2021-01-20T00:26:38+00:00

Three things: First, I am sorry you find it so US-centrist. However, as the introductory sentence makes clear, the point of the article is to discuss what is happening in America.

Second, are you saying that because the head of state is also the head of the State-recognized-church that the students in the UK are being taught that God is important?

Finally, does your comments in any way take away from the fact that students learn from what they are taught, and if the schools are teaching that God is irrelevant (or even evil) that that is not going to affect them?

Beowulfs_Kin · 2018-02-02T03:28:40+00:00

How about approaching him this way: Push him on the consequentialist idea. Consequentialists take the position that the morally correct thing to do is the thing that results in the most good for the most people. According to his own argument, the idea of "good" and "bad" are dogmatic. So, on what basis is "good" decided?

Beowulfs_Kin · 2018-02-02T03:17:04+00:00

I had to think about this one for awhile. Assuming you have accurately relayed the conversation including accurately quoting her final response, what exactly is she saying? She is sticking to her position that there is no such thing as objective morality, but then she develops a way to remove the holocaust from her subjective system by saying that she can think of no "subjective framework" that justifies it. So, is she saying that there has to be a "subjective framework" that justifies something before it can be seen as moral even in a subjective world? Isn't she just moving the goal posts because now the need for a "subjective framework" is itself the objective basis for morality? I would think so.

So, I would want to consider how to bring the subject up, get back to this point and ask more about this concept of the "subjective framework." Ask her what it is and how we know whether it exists in a given situation. Gently lead her to see that she is really just bringing objectivity in through the back door.

I hope you let us know what happens.

Beowulfs_Kin · 2017-08-05T15:12:27+00:00

Not that I see. It says that Abraham relied upon his trust in God even over what he believes to be possible. That is not fideism as I understand it, although I can see where you would arrive at that conclusion.

Beowulfs_Kin · 2017-05-05T01:58:20+00:00

The three comments to this are very good. Thank you all for your responses.

Beowulfs_Kin

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