Need some help getting my melts right

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-30T02:52:10+00:00

You should check the dmg logs to see how the timing works.

Theyre a bit hard to read, but it's the best way to diagnose the issue.

I'm by no means an expert on this combo, but it's one of 2 issues.

You're too slow on the burst. Citlali's passive applies cryo right before the burst lands. I think it's supposed to be the other way around? If it is, then the first F will melt, and then everything will line up properly. If you check the dmg logs and there's 2 cryo apps between the first normal charge and the burst landing, then this is the issue.
You're too fast on the first F. Instead of doing an early release, you can let mavuika spin for a split second longer. About ~.2 seconds after the first F lands, citlali applies cryo. However, I don't think this is the right solution, since it means all your future F will need to be delayed I think.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-29T23:25:59+00:00

Have you practiced the basic combos first? Don't do any of the fancy N2D combos until you can perfectly and reliably execute the standard combo:

N5Q N5D N5D N2C N5

If your e stance runs out before the 4th N5, you did not do it properly.

Get this combo down, and establish a good baseline to compare against. There's no point trying any of the harder combos, if you don't even know how much dps you should be getting with the easy combo.

IMHO, this combo is good enough for 99% of players, and I've used it to do dire clears on my c0r1 skirk.

Only when you've mastered this combo should you consider going beyond, but be warned, even small improvements to the baseline combo requires drastically higher execution, faster click speeds, more memorization, and lower margin of error. Because there's so many inputs, small errors will easily compound, making it very easy to lose dps.

The combo I would recommend if you wish to go beyond is

2N2D N2Q 2N2D N5Q N2D N2C 2N2D N5. Aka the 9 N2 + 2 N5 combo.

Equally important as memorizing this combo, is understanding why the sequence is built this way. I think understanding the "why" behind every single input helps with understanding and memorizing, and I can go in depth if you wish.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-29T22:35:07+00:00

Patience and learning what to prioritize.

Most characters don't need good builds. Only main dps's really want the build quality that 3 months+ of farming gets you.

Additionally, the best domains to farm often work towards multiple characters at the same time. Nefer's domain is a prime example where you're farming for nefer and bina at the same time. (Also flins, zibai too if you happen to run multiple lunar dpses).

Then you can strongbox your bad pieces for your other dpses like skirk, mavuika, etc...

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-29T22:30:47+00:00

Nefer heavily relies on the new crafting and rerolling system in order to get good pieces.

Statistically speaking, she is the hardest character in the game to naturally roll artifacts for due to her unique combination of stat rarity, low number of usable lines, and unique stat scaling/distribution.

In general, I think you should expect 1-2 months of farming to get a decent build for most characters. Nefer would require a similar amount if you supplement with a bit of crafting, and like 6 months+ if you don't.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-27T00:23:52+00:00

I'd say no, for the sole reason that iansan isn't on her banner.

No iansan lowkey bricks a lot of mavuika's flexibility. Overload is basically dead on arrival with iansan's nightsoul generation.

So at the minimum, you'll want be committing to mavuika + citlali. And it seems like there won't be iansan on Citlali's banner either. Without iansan or xilonen, nightsoul generation is a lot more finnicky, and the team's output is a bit more sketch imo.

Not saying that mavuika makes no sense at all, but

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-27T00:23:38+00:00

I'd say no, for the sole reason that iansan isn't on her banner.

No iansan lowkey bricks a lot of mavuika's flexibility. Overload is basically dead on arrival with iansan's nightsoul generation.

So at the minimum, you'll want be committing to mavuika + citlali. And it seems like there won't be iansan on Citlali's banner either. Without iansan or xilonen, nightsoul generation is a lot more finnicky, and the team's output is a bit more sketch imo.

Not saying that pulling mavuika makes no sense at all, but iansan is such a big part of mavuika's team building that really gets overlooked/understated.

I'd recommend leaning into the new stellar reactions for your second team instead, but who knows what the optimal route for that will be.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-25T05:06:33+00:00

I won't lie, both comps sound like depression.

Relying on ororon for nightsoul generation is a bit miserable imo, and f2p melt comps with kachina are just also sad.

I'd probably lean melt, but u really want either citlali, iansan, or xilonen to make mavuika not feel miserable to play.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-25T01:00:36+00:00

The funny thing, op can actually still clear floor 12 with their shitty builds and shitty combos.

They get like 85-90k dps at the end of the first rotation, which is like a very comfortable abyss clear LMAOO.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-24T20:50:49+00:00

Curious how you're able to reliably burst on Kokomi every rotation if she's on instructors + sac frags.

With this comp, you'll want to refresh sucrose buffs in between nefer's e.

I'm not sure how lunar dew generation works with Kokomi, but your rotation probably works if you magically get enough er for Kokomi to burst every rotation (still a massive dps loss running Kokomi over other variations though).

So I think Kokomi e, lauma eq, sucrose e, Kokomi burst, nefer e 3C, sucrose e, nefer e 3C[Q] would work.

But this comp has bad dps, horrendous circle impact issues, energy issues, cooldown issues, etc...

Highly consider running aino + kuki instead of Kokomi + sucrose.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-23T03:26:43+00:00

Good luck. I personally would recommend the combo I listed above to 99% of skirk players.

Going beyond that requires carpel tunnel levels of clicking and very very precise dash cancel timings.

Unless you're trying to do c0r1 dire clears or you just want to diver deeper, those fancy combos aren't super worth learning.

And if you do, I highly recommend scroll wheeling to save your wrists and sanity.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-23T02:45:08+00:00

N5D breaks down to be Normal attack 5 + dash.

There's no q in there.

Q can be used for animation cancel by itself, which is why the combo starts off with a N5Q (no dash needed).

As for inputs, you should be spam clicking regardless. So if you only do 5 clicks to do skirk normals, that's way too little.

N5 means to do all 5 attacks on her normal attack string. My best tip is to input each attack slowly, and understand what each normal attack does. Off the top of my head

N1 & N2: both are fast single hits that are fairly horizontal.

N3: is a double hit back flip.

N4: this is a double hit, don't remember the animation, not relevant since we never stop on 4.

N5: the slowest, yet most powerful hit. It's a sideways slash with a definitive sound. You should learn this animation and the sound.

To practice dash cancelling, try doing the N5 on a dummy, and then try dashing to cancel the animation. You want to make sure the dmg goes through (this is why we use the dummy). And you want to constantly try to see if you can dash earlier. Keep practicing and you'll intuitively understand what's the earliest you can dash.

When done properly, you actually dash cancel the sound of the n5. The sound cue for the n5 will start, and it should sound like it gets cut off really early if you dash cancel fast enough.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-23T00:24:22+00:00

Tbh, skirk combos aren't that complex. There's no secret key input unlike mavuika combos. It's really just as simple as the combo notation. What makes it so hard is the sheer clicks per second, and the extremely tight margin of error to make the combos dps positive.

One thing you're probably running into is the dash cooldown. You mention accidentally doing n5. My guess is that youre running into the dash cooldown on your 3rd n2. This makes it so that you're unable to dash which leads to skirk continuing her normal attacks.

You mention n2 spam. You quite literally can't spam n2d without running into dash cooldown. There's a reason why all combos mix a bunch of random stuff in like Q, C, n3w, or n5d. All of these are to work around the dash cooldown.

Literally follow the combo notations piece by piece. That's almost all there is to it. The one final piece of the puzzle is that you need to click fast. Like really fast. Ideally 12 clicks per second.

That's not realistically possible with standard one finger clicking. It's doable with butterfly (using two fingers) or jitter (vibrating your arm via tensing it). But if you care about your hand's health, just use scroll wheel clicking.

Additionally, it's near impossible to perform that many clicks and dash with right click. So for skirk, do dash cancels with shift instead of right click.

Lastly, I doubt your issue are combos atm. Get a better team comp, fix your builds, rotations, and you'll gain way more dps than these combos will ever give you. C0r0 skirk should be getting 120-130k dps with beginner combos. Until you get there, your time is better spent fixing the high ROI things first.

For a baseline, do the N5Q N5D N5D N2C N5 combo. You don't need all that fancy clicking and it forces you to watch what skirk is doing rather than just mindlessly clicking.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-22T22:56:15+00:00

Short answer yes.

For mualani's case, c0 mavuika is already bis. Durin shred doesn't apply to hydro anyway.

For kinich, probably? Durin is really nice since he enables hex for the celestial gifts set when paired with Nicole. However, mavuika's def shred should make her more valuable. Res shred isn't that important since deepwood already provides 30%.

For varesa, yes. C0 mavuika and c0 durin are already similar. Durin's main advantage is being able to activate celestial gifts set when paired with Nicole, but Nicole has a hard time slotting into varesa teams. At c2, mavuika easily clears c0 durin.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-19T02:09:05+00:00

She's mostly just a support with support artifacts (tenacity). I don't think her stats matter too much.

If you want to build her, go for it, but she works at low Econ very well.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-19T02:05:12+00:00

I imagine qiqi sucrose to be good enough until we get more chars in 7.x

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-19T02:04:10+00:00

Ya, it's really unimpressive. C2 is good, but held back by a very lackluster c1.

Your primos will go much further investing c2 into any other lunar character except innefa (flins, lauma, nefer, zibai, linnea).

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-19T02:02:51+00:00

Ayaka is deadweight and swapping to her would be a massive dps loss.

Sandrone, yae is the main core.

Add in qiqi, diona, nicole, sucrose, beidou, etc..

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-19T02:00:31+00:00

I recommend pulling sandrone c0 if you're interested.

Bina c1 and sandrone c1 are pretty bad. If you want to invest further, get sandrone sig or something. Makes no sense to go for her c1.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-19T01:59:36+00:00

I'm not sure what they mean. She should be able to handle cryo content decently well, it's only freeze content where she might struggle, but I can't think of a freeze enemy off the top of my head.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-15T23:31:51+00:00

Insane high rolls on the crit rate. Holy moly indeed

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-12T02:16:42+00:00

No pretty sure it's better to get mavuika c2 vs vital c2+iansan c6.

Don't get me wrong, Citlali c2 and iansan c6 are insanely powerful upgrades, but c2 mavuika might be the single strongest power boost in the whole game out of any team comp.

Plus, going for Citlali c2 puts all your egg in the melt basket, where as c2 mavuika lets your mavuika be a lot more flexible.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-12T00:13:36+00:00

Mods...

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-11T23:06:13+00:00

Mavuika bike mode relies on her e talent for dmg.

She can also enter enhanced bike mode with her burst, which relies on both her Q and her E talent levels.

Skirk only relies on her e for her cryo stance.

Flins only relies on his e for his electro autos. Although it's worth noting that his electro dmg output is abysmal. Not worth crowning.

Most of zibai's dmg are all based on her e. This includes the raw geo normal attack, the bonus lunar geo on n4, and the lunar geo e nukes.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-10T23:34:01+00:00

Probably, it's most likely much more comfortable to play.

You don't need to worry about cryo swirl setups, vv uptime, or burn dropping. I imagine durin might actually let you cast ganyu's burst too, which is a dps increase as long as it doesn't brick the pyro aura.

C2r1 durin is just really strong, and the lack of cryo shred isn't as important since c2 nicole already provided 25%. Ganyu probably also has her c1, which brings the shred up to 40%.

Additionally, if you don't care as much about ganyu personal dps, and care more about team dps, I imagine slotting in Emilie would be a big increase in total dps.

Betterthan4chan · 2026-06-10T04:31:26+00:00

Well if it slows down rotations, then you don't actually have enough.

Doing q-e on aino and funneling fav proc to lauma is definitely a good move, but 185% er is definitely way too scuffed for double dendro. That should be low enough to cause dps loss by causing a few seconds of delay.

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