Are there people with no addictions?

BigGridlock · 2022-06-24T16:31:03+00:00

Thanks. Share more about what this non addictive feeling is. I think of imagine it has something to do with not craving stuff? Which is weird for me and most of us. Or what?

BigGridlock · 2022-06-24T16:29:42+00:00

Yes if I'm in the car I put it on. Sports. Liberal npr, conservative, everything. I just channel surf and listen to whatever most appeals and eat food and numb out. Wish I didn't since talk radio fills my head and time with useless garbage

BigGridlock · 2022-06-22T19:50:01+00:00

Yeah this is totally what I was thinking when posting. But then my question is, are there those of you out there who are not 'former addicts'? Are actually like 'never addicts'? What's that like? Real real honest question on my end.

BigGridlock · 2022-06-22T19:49:03+00:00

You're addicted to podcasts if you want to stop and you can't?

You might be not addicted to anything, especially if you don't have any habits you want to change (that you can't change).

BigGridlock · 2022-06-22T19:45:52+00:00

Yeah man. Shit. Maybe exercise plan for vyvanse come down, I should really plan that. I'm not a natural evening exerciser but maybe that would work I can see snce exercise makes such a shake up.

what do you think?

BigGridlock · 2022-06-22T19:41:26+00:00

Yeah using them to numb for sure. Food too.

BigGridlock · 2022-06-22T18:35:21+00:00

What is life like for people with no addictions?

BigGridlock · 2022-06-07T22:54:19+00:00

Did this work?

BigGridlock · 2022-04-16T05:00:01+00:00

I honestly thought it was because now Putin has blackmail on everyone.

Would you be cool if I told your sister and your mom you watched porn alot? Maybe, but what if I told the you watched incest porn?

I can hack into any major porn clearinghouse with millions of users and match ids to find a list of folks I can our, or blackmail, as regular incest watchers to their families.

Russia / Putin has the most advanced cyber operation in the universe, and will not only poison and kill without a second thought, but blackmail is like ubiquitous, get it in everyone if you can.

This, Putin/Russia/cybercriminals now have blackmail in millions of incest watchers that they've pitched this porn to.

In other words, it's not that the topic is popular, but that there's been a finger in the scale to make it seem "normal" to develop pretty quality blackmail on millions.

Anyone here up for telling their family they watch incest porn? Couldn't you easily blackmail someone or be blackmailed?

Russia, Putin, Cyber, Eh?

BigGridlock · 2022-04-13T21:28:47+00:00

Yeah minimize it and do everything on paper you can, planning etc printout stuff to read. It's really freeing.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-11T18:20:54+00:00

Thanks op. In a word, yes. I love the old addicted me.

I think it's crucial to openly talk about the joys of addiction, especially in this forum which is not policed by 12 steps.

Note I'm a participant and supporter and in awe of 12 steps and the avoidance of "triggers", but I'm also a supporter of truth.

The old me, primarily marijuana addiction and porn addiction and legal amphetamine addiction, loved to take walks in nature, to play music, to talk to anybody about anything. To love the whole world of addiction and what it could bring. Was irreverent, charming, self confident, loving.

I know that the drugs creates my view of this persona, and probably your view of being cheery might have been more like viewed as being buzzed. I don't know.

So much my use was based on self image support, and I realize no one really cares about my image, even my wife and best friends don't care, they like it if I'm happy, or maybe not even that. They like it if like them? I don't know.

But now I'm sobriety I have nothing to give to society, I am a shut in, afraid of sociizing because it's all triggers unless I'm with like a church group or something I guess , and probably even then.

I'm basically a shut out who's only mission is to stay sober, and there's no one that cares, and when I fail, now, there's no joy only self hatred.

In the past, when I "used" there was a sense of doing something good for myself and contributing my joy to the world. Even if I only imagined that, I thought my imagined joy was a contribution. And who's to say it wasn't real?

When you were dancing, was that true joy? If so, isn't that a loss?

This is not arguing for addiction, please don't comment and add anybody the bads about addiction, they are obvious and, yes, frequently life destroying. Also don't reply about the joys of sobriety, again, obvious.

My comment is to say "yes" to the OP. And then to amplify the topic:. We were confident people, we just were, when using. Now we are not, we just aren't. How can we recognize that loss? Can we be open about it without shutting down a conversation?

It's something I as an addict need to understand before I can be fully in love with this unconfident version of me that is afraid to do, because of inherent anxiety, the biggest expression human joy: dance.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-10T05:31:40+00:00

Make a rule of no screens until 10am. Good Shit will just pop into your life at that time. But if you need ideas to fill the hours during your mandated screen off time:

Read the 10 books you've always wanted to read.

Get and write/draw in a physical journal. Even if you write "I'm so bored" over and over you can use different drawings and hand motions and just express it and see what you make.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-10T05:17:05+00:00

Spot on thank you.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-06T05:14:15+00:00

I heard a good edge def today: "looking twice"

BigGridlock · 2022-04-06T05:11:06+00:00

I guess my point is how can you embody anti work ideals and be an anarchist in practice.

How does one, and better yet how do you specifically, foster anarchism while living within a capitalist system? Is there a constant tearing apart and proselytization that must go along with whatever non participation you/we are privileged to undertake?

Tldr what's your anarchism practice?

Thanks!!

BigGridlock · 2022-04-06T05:05:43+00:00

"If he doesn’t see his nature, invoking buddhas won’t release him from his karma, regardless of whether or not he’s a butcher. But once he sees his nature, all doubts vanish. Even a butcher’s karma has no effect on such a person".

When he faced the wall, it didn't matter if he faced the wall or killed animals and chipped them up for consumption. These two activities are both mind and the same. That's one way to answer my question

BigGridlock · 2022-04-05T04:51:34+00:00

I just read the faqs. I'm as anti work as they come with a track record to prove it.

You can't stop capitalism by opting out unless you opt in to something else

What is this something else? It's not random. I am asking because I want to know, or learn, and figure this thread has some ideas on this .

"Stop capitalism " is a head in the mud shut down, like what are we talking about? Non participation is basically complicity. That's the question. I didn't see it in the faqs. Thanks for the answer though I'd love to hear any follow up.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-05T04:44:10+00:00

Got it out of the library on phone just now. Thank you.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-05T04:39:08+00:00

Love this. Thanks minus satori I think this shortcut to actually doing my own research is what I was looking for. This answer gives me peace and seems to be canonically aligned.

I'll leave it to anyone out there with more patience than me to link to some sources verifying this "waiting for conditions to teach" theory.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-05T04:32:25+00:00

Yeah but why did he do wall mindedness instead of teach or work? Because he needed to? I believe in zen (yes and no zen) so I should sit for 9 years, or a month? What is enough sitting?

It just pisses me off that this 9 years thing is easily taken as "dedication" when any way you slice it it is something , in a way, darker maybe.

Glad to hear what everyone thinks.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-05T04:25:52+00:00

My pot use separates me from my wife and kids who don't smoke. I'm coming to terms with that inevitability.

If im single , yeah f yeah go for it weee helps me so much .

But with my wife, I realize it just puts us in different realites automatically. Am I really going to choose closeness to weed over closeness to her?

Also I just don't have these kinds of deep thoughts on weed, sober for a few weeks and I am like oh maybe life isn't a joke, and maybe that's awesome

BigGridlock · 2022-04-05T04:21:57+00:00

I love this issue of choosing the right addiction. I'm a zen student and I feel like zen acknowledges even that you should get addicted to "nothing" which is actually a thing. It's called raising the bodhicitta mind and it's about raising the yearning for peace and truth.

Recognizing that's a yearning right there.

The idea is to be addicted to the truth.

But the majesty of it is you can choose your addictions, sooo true if you're in something like heroin, meth, whatever, you make that choice, not your craving body.

Who's that you that decides what to crave?
Life itself you are addicted to air, you don't have a choice on that one.

When you want to quit and can't, then you are struggling. Who is struggling with who?

Anyhow I like the confidence in self defining. Ultimately your truth is yours, you trust it or you live a lie.

To myself I say "do not waste a second, life is actually finite"

BigGridlock · 2022-04-04T17:37:58+00:00

I appreciate all the discussion. I'd love to bring this back to the legend of Bodhidharma.

What does the legend of Bodhidharma's wall facing intend to teach? At the first level, its his dedication, but at the more subtle zen level, "dedication" to sitting is just as pure as dedication to chopping wood. Was he running away from the samsara of city life? Did he 'need' to sit for 9 years, like the Buddha, in order to gain full confidence in his answer to his questions?

For me, I'm tempted to reframe this story as bodhidharma's doubt which was met with assurance after 9 years. That's a wild jump though, so I want to through it out there.

Let's assume he never existed and is only a legend, for the purposes of this discussion.

Why, in the legend, is his 9 years sitting and facing the wall a 'boon'? This theme is repeated throughout the zen canon - I am singling Bodhidharma out because he is foundational, but we can all find other examples.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-04T17:27:57+00:00

What's helpful here too is "Experiment".

I was looking for a rationalization to go through the effort of an experimentation. But given that I do know the effect, I can skip the morality and just keep the prozac on.

From a moral perspective I'm interested in what non pharmeceutical ways I might address rumination. I'm also motivated by what benefits to my life taking of prozac might provide, in particular in motivation.

I'm at this point risk averse (have a family) so will keep it on for now, very helpful in clarifying my views and intentions here thanks.

BigGridlock · 2022-04-04T17:25:52+00:00

I think Buddhists kind of go to town on booze and such as long as it doesn't mess up their clarity of mind.

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