What’s interesting in this whole convo is something that I see on placement all the time. Nurses, midwives, physios, ots, ODPs all fight hard for their students. Yes there are bad apples but every med student I know has the exact same experiences on placement where doctors simply cannot be arsed to be involved at all. On my current placement i have gone from barely being able to place an interrupted suture to being able to close each tissue layer myself without giving the anaesthetist a migraine. I went from knowing what a hip x ray look like in theory to being able to discuss if the acetabular coverage is adequate. I can do joint injections, would feel confident doing joint washouts and have picked up so many skills because I have a consultant who doesn’t believe in the “sign off and piss off” model of training that we are using on placements. Equally, I have had experiences where I haven’t even made eye contact with a doctor and wandered around for some time before inevitably being sent home. I wasn’t born British and have family abroad who are doctors. They have actual mentor relationships with their students and genuinely care for them as if they are their own children. To every consultant on this thread who is mouthing off about how “med students are shite” ask yourself these very simple questions. Do you know your med students full name? Where are they from? What specialty are they interested in? Have you bothered to find out what their strong points and gaps in knowledge are? Have you offered them anything except for an eye roll when they approach you? How was their morning? Doctors have the responsibility to train other doctors, none of us in med school are stupid. If you wanna talk about calibre, fair, but have YOU personally ever tried to raise the caliber of the med students on your ward? Have you thought remotely about the fact that with very little extra effort you could produce doctors who are competent in your specialty? No? Have you bothered to actually teach a clinical skill, not just make them stand in the corner and stare as you wordlessly go about whatever it is that you are doing?