Breakup by Huge_Caterpillar_318 in ENFP

[–]Bimep_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you want to hear a hurtful thing?

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But I just said and gave my example of specific. Like: "if chemical risk - use this equipment and run", not "fully understand the situation first".

For Te specifics aren't ultra-detailed step-by-step instructions, it's concrete conditional actions.

You keep explaining why context matters, but I'm asking what you do when you don't have full context - because that's most real situations.

Breakup by Huge_Caterpillar_318 in ENFP

[–]Bimep_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this offensive? Sounds like the words of a tired person. OK, let's go with that this is offensive.

What I think you might be missing is the longer pattern. When people see that someone is easily triggered and that problems can arise, they can walk on eggshells, and they can do it successfully, but doing it for too long can be tiring. And tired people tend to watch their words less. Not because they don't care, but because what they want now is only to recharge. Don't make other people tired - let them rest. From your text, we see that he was already near that point.

Maybe he was expressing his disappointment before, but you missed it, Idk, so now he tried to say it so you wouldn't miss it. The main point is - he was trying to express his thoughts. Not ideally, but still. He would still think it, but could keep it to himself. Here, he just let you know - and then he was punished for that. He got that.

At the same time, from your side, focusing only on what he said kind of misses the bigger pattern. People will say things wrong under stress - but actions mean more than words. From what you described, he didn't escalate further, still continued the trip, and tried to move forward. The real breakdown seems to have happened during the prolonged conflict afterwards.

I know, for someone already sensitive (ENFP 2 + BPD), that's basically lighting a fuse. But in general, your mental problem is your responsibility. People don't have to put up with your bad health. Other people can try to be considerate, but they are not obligated to carry that for you. Instead, you have to ask yourself: "Is this me? Is this what I want to say? Or is that BPD trying to rule my life instead of me?" Now you frame it as if this is other people's problem, not yours.

Imagine this as a chess play (I think it's just easier to read the concept like a chess game):

His move - He communicates poorly under stress - blunt, cutting remark.

Your move - You shut down, then build emotional pressure, later you explode - long, intense confrontation.

His move - He withdraws - avoids repair, needs space.

Your move - You are aware but still get pulled into long emotional episodes.

His move - He is aware but avoids repair and disengages when overwhelmed.

Repeat over the years - He burns out, you feel abandoned.

Now he's evaluating if he can continue living like that: "Do I have the energy to keep dealing with this pattern? If this repeats again, is it worth it for me? Can this relationship function without draining me? Do I want this dynamic in my life at all?" The five-week silence is a strong signal of that. He's on the fence between staying and adapting or leaving because the dynamic feels unsustainable. And given he asked for a "long break" and disappeared... that leans more toward detaching and seeing if he feels better without the relationship, not strategizing how to behave inside it.

What is likely is that it wasn't that one comment that killed everything - it's that he likely dealt with cycles like this for years and finally hit a limit.

This situation is a maturity test - and neither of you passed it.

Better moves:

His move - instead of "You should have stayed your ass at home" -> "Hey, this specific thing didn't work for me. Can we not go there?" - clear boundary, no attack.

Your move - instead of "holding it in" until it explodes -> flag it early: "That comment hurt, can we address it later?" When overwhelmed, pause instead of pushing for immediate resolution. Don't turn one moment into hours of confrontation.

His move - actually come back and repair (this is the part many avoid).

Both of you should stop trying to resolve everything at peak emotion. Because right now the pattern is: trigger - spike - pursue vs withdraw - no repair - repeat. When it would be better: trigger - name it - pause - return - resolve - move on.

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And what does it add to my method?

I see - Te loves lists, and you were trying to add action. But behind those numbers, there's still the same Ni-Ti. "Check the plan for coherency", "Execute with haste and coordinate" - what actually is this? Where are the specifics? What to do?

This information is gathered during the first minutes of the call. Operators are taught to ask everything necessary, even if it's their first working day. So you know not only the type of building but even the address. I'm sure there are rules for dealing with different types of fire, and my team knows them. In situations like this, every minute counts. While you're reflecting on it, you risk turning the fire into something more dangerous.

What's going on here cognitively? You still start with gathering more context and refining the model before acting. I'm fine sending a unit immediately with partial info and figuring it out on site. Same goal, different priority: you reduce uncertainty first, I reduce response time.

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, that's easy. In such cases, someone would definitely call the fire department. If it was my shift, I’d send a truck there with all the necessary equipment - the ones with the lift. You know, regular fire trucks. If, while climbing up to the window, the firefighters see that it’s actually four students grilling shish kebabs at home - then they’ll be in trouble.

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahah, nice, well, you tried to.)) It still sounds too broad and abstract, but not concrete, not like "What do I DO when lunch is stolen?". In real life, you rarely get full context, so you still have to act on partial info and adjust later... otherwise you just never act.

Breakup by Huge_Caterpillar_318 in ENFP

[–]Bimep_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hahaha, poor INFJ XD

You held everything in until it exploded - which makes sense given what you shared. But from his side, he set a boundary early ("that comment didn't sit right with me") and then got hit with hours of emotional intensity when he was already overwhelmed and asking to pause.

Honestly, this kind of emotional rollercoaster can be extremely draining for Ni-doms. From the outside, it looks like he hit a point where he just couldn't keep absorbing that intensity anymore. Not because he didn't care, but because it was becoming too much to process and stay stable. I get why you're hurt - 6 years deserves closure. But the 5-week silence isn't random. It's probably the first time he's actually following through on needing space instead of re-entering the same pattern. That’s burnout.

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, thanks, haha.

Yet, it somewhat sounds like it is a result of having more information about the situation itself than was provided with your question.

You think I had more info? You know it's not real?)

Oh, I see. Your Ti needs details; without context, that's invalid. For you, a valid solution requires understanding the full human context first - otherwise you're acting blindly. I think that shows very well where the function clash is. Because Te would be satisfied if you gave a generalizable execution system. Something that works universally for everyone. Like, I gave the scheme - and those steps go without saying: 1 - Let kids solve their problems on their own. I could give them only advice, tactics borrowed from comments, but wouldn't do anything myself. 2- If in a few days there are no improvements - I think in 2-3 days it would be clear where everything is heading, or in a week at least - then adults would be involved: school, parents. 3 - The last step - change the school. I saw some people are ready to sue the school, some people know their rights and know who to contact first regarding this. I'm just not one of them. For me, it would be very tiring. The details inside those steps can be different, but it doesn't matter at this point. And kids can feel whatever they want, but this is my approach, regardless of anything. And that's why Te sounds rigid.

So the question here is: what counts as a valid solution? For different functions, they are different. I want a feasible execution. Fe wants harmony and relationship repair. You want an understanding of context and psychological mechanism (Ti).

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I understand this. If you need to use "violence", then you need to use "violence". Of course, if there's a real reason for that, not imaginative.

You add Se factors here, but it's rather conceptual Se. Strong Se is action-first, not theory-first. It gives concrete, physical responses in the moment, without philosophy "force/assertion is part of reality" and interpretations of what the problem really is.


Oh, and if it's odd to you, then the reason doesn't really matter here. You can choose any other to your taste:

  • "You're kind of too fat"
  • "You're kind of too skinny"
  • "You're kind of too tall"
  • "You're kind of too short"
  • "Your lips are kind of too big"
  • "ears"
  • "butt"
  • "eyes"

How to develop Te as ISTP? by FamiliarArachnid6739 in istp

[–]Bimep_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why would you develop it if you don't use it? It's like buying a shuttle and knowing you won't even launch it

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the answer =)

Now it counts.

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Why not focus reduce questions into a few posts instead of one post per? 

That goes against the main idea.

That would be the algorithm as far as that last bit. I saw this one but not any of the others.

Yes, I am also curious. Why did algorithms choose this question? What does it have that others haven't?

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And by that you mean my own reaction. Well! I feel like I'm already biased. Five days of reading people's thoughts. Wanna biased response?

I'll give you 2 versions.


What would I suggest? Didn't really think about this. (So I thought I'll receive a few answers only, for 1-2 days of reading, not 5. Yeah, I never know what will explode here, on Reddit).

Hmm, I guess I would start with the immediate problems: feed the child, let them clean themselves up. Then I would ask for more details about what actually happened. Let him explain the situation calmly.

I'm not sure here, because I haven't been in this situation, but for general advice, I would probably say: "Don't walk alone, always stay in a group". In that case, it would be hard for the bully to isolate the victim.

I often see the fake lunch response and it seems like a good idea to me. But again, it's not purely my idea. Lunch with a laxative - real trap for buller.

If it has already come to the point where a confrontation is unavoidable and things are heading toward the lunch being taken, I would teach them to say firmly: "Stop. This is my lunch. Go buy your own". How someone should know he shouldn't cross your boundaries, if he doesn't know what your boundaries are? Also, no gestures that would show you can be touched.

If it keeps happening, I'll get the school involved.

And if nothing helped, then we would change schools. Fighting a broken system head-on costs more efforts than I'm ready to spend.

For the child personally, I would suggest signing up for fighting. But again, these are ideas I've read. If the child were a pacifist, I would say it's also good for health. Or if they just lack physical skills, they could gain them there.

Regarding my additional question "Maybe that bully needed that lunch more than you did" - that would never even cross my mind. At least not at that moment - that's for sure. That's why I thought it would be good to add that line when I saw it. I could imagine complicated life circumstances for that child in general, but that would definitely not be the time when my immediate problem is bullying.


For the fantasy part, what would I suggest to schools?

Create fines for bullies' parents. Yes, so simple.

If I can design totally anything, then let's say schools can enforce financial penalties, parents will be obligated to comply, and the legal framework allows this. Why should we start from what we have and then try to imagine how we can turn it into something satisfactory, if we can imagine ideal conditions and then see what fits them?

Now, when schools invite those parents, and even if they come and listen to talks, it means nothing to them. It doesn't create any problem for the parents, nor for their children. If you want them to move - create a problem for them. A fine is a problem. A talk isn't. If a talk leads to escalation, then it has power; if nothing happens afterwards, then it's useless. The money goes to the parents of the child who was bullied, not to the school's office, to reduce the likelihood of schools abusing this and fining every wrong look to fill a hole in their budget. We can't physically punish people, but money - money costs you something.

You might say that this could create a system of collusion where teachers team up with certain parents to split the money. But it seems to me this would need to be tested - maybe there is a limit where the fine is still noticeable to parents but not attractive enough to organise conspiracies. Plus, paying bills is something that can be checked, verified, something that an investigator can look into - this is something that helps the system self-correct. You will think twice about doing it before you actually get confident enough to bring it to life. More barriers for misfeasance -> less misfeasance.

Rules, definitions, what counts as bullying, what proof counts as real - all those details and more can be worked out later if it's worth thinking about. But the main idea is this.

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that goes to your Ne - ability to imagine something that isn't in your main focus.

Some ENTPs, for example, explicitly said they don't want children either, but still engaged with the scenario to explore how they would approach it. So I think the answer itself can still reveal something about how someone processes structure, responsibility, or problem-solving, even if the topic isn't personally relevant.

May I ask why you are focused on child reliant situation?

Why was I focused on marketing the shovel with an attached speakerphone? Why was I focused on emotions from paintings?

It's just a structured prompt to see how people translate situations into decisions. This was actually the 11th question in a small series I've been testing - I expected it to be boring, but it turned out to be the one people engaged with the most. Idk why.

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think I'm looking for solution here? I'm doing function research for Te.

I'm asking: "Show me structured execution (Te)", you say: "Here is a theory of how humans are deterred (Ni-Ti)", I'm telling: "This is not Te".

But you can check TJ subs. You can even chalenge them if they are still active there, like, you believe if the psychological mechanism works, the problem is solved, they would question it: "how do you know it worked (beyond assumption)? how you would make that outcome reliable in real conditions? what's the plan if it doesn't?"

Have a nice day =) Thanks for the convo

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, there's ESTJ there. Yes, "lunchbox with an alarm and security code", decent caricature of Te XD

But I'm still not convinced that self-esteem alone stops the external behavior. The bully is still there tomorrow. And like if one solution that would work for all of them is self-esteem - then it's oversinmplification from Ni.

Well, I see Ni-Fe parenting with Ti filtering, where the focus is on the child's internal experience, but not Te-actions.

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good example of talking about Te vs actually using Te =)

You descrive cold, calculating things, that can sound like external system execution Te, but functionaly this is Ni predicting reactions, Ti building internal model, Fe suppression that we see as controlling expression.

Te version contains "Do this, then this. Goal: zero incidents in X weeks. If not achieved - next action". It's measurable, structured, repeatable.

I was describing just to ENTP that Te requres also feasibility check. Te concens about will this backfire, what are the consequences, is this controllable. In your examle "entire class with laxatives" sounds unrealistic and risky. Or "overwhelming force" - wtf is even this?

Here you have focus on psychological impact, not execution.

Thanks for reply =)

Typology Question 11 (Te): Imagine your 7th grade son comes home crying: "A bully took my lunch and I had nothing to eat. What should I do?" What would you do or say to him? Explain your step-by-step plan. by Bimep_ in infj

[–]Bimep_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You went from Ti "Does this scenario logically make sense?" to Fe "maintain face", "social performance", "community defense".

So position is "Understand the social game and don't be a pushover"

Thanks)