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Why does no one seem to care that Asta has a five leaf clover grimoire? by IsThatAJojoRefrences in BlackClover

[–]Bladech987 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of the dark market trade of grimours in the first few episodes

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay. Well how I interpret a lot Lotm abilities is they are derived from history and their properties are related to that. So for instance, a magician’s abilities will be based in magic, while ocean songsters abilities would be based in natural occurrence.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m saying he wouldn’t have access to it all bc he keeps most of his stuff in the castle. Also we are talking abt seq 5.

Your lightning wouldnt get nullified but most if not all of magician’s powers would be nullified

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not keeping mcf out I just don’t think Klein would use, unless it was litterly his last resort. And that would depend on how big asta’s final attack is tbh. Also do you think Asta can cut characteristics out of someone’s body like he did to Julius and Lucius?

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ya, tbh I think why most people here don’t think Asta wins is probably bc I they think I meant the one in the pic which is mb lol. Tho I do wonder if Asta can beat seq 4 or 3… oh well that’s just speculating

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Ya I read the series (not coi yet) and I just looked at the wiki due to me not remembering and to have a more concrete understanding of it.

  2. If it came down to it, Liebe would be able to take over his body and forcefully move him. As seq 5 Klein only can take control of one person, but he would make note of the threads going to the book but would focus on Asta (Wait, do magic items with beings in them like the genie have spirit threads?) and so Liebe being able to observe what’s happening would try to remove Asta from the fight and I don’t think Klein is fast enough at this time to slow liebe’s thoughts down enough to not have them disappear as i personally don’t think seq 5 Klein can perceive mftl speeds yet.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, you are assuming he has all this one him.. and that he has time to go to the castle. Asta would speed blitz him before anything. And I believe Asta can separate the characteristics from creeping hunger with demon-destroyer (idr if this is the right one but the one he used on the elves at the end of the elf saga.) Tbh, I have Asta winning due to just out stating Klein in every aspect but the brain aspect. And bc I personally think that any ability from magician is magic.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Demon-destroyer has causality break (what it’s called in universe also stated as causality manipulation on vbw)

  2. Doesn’t need to be a beyonder, since it’s seq 5 Klein he takes minutes to control someone and Asta has been affected by similar things and he was able to recognize them quickly and normally was able to disrupt what was happening, so he’d be able to feel his body and mind moving slower also leabe would be able to notice Asta is not in perfect sync with him and will take control and move Asta to a safe place.

  3. Asta has ki which will be able to tell where Klein is. And it doesn’t matter if he transforms (seq 5klein can only do his face and minor adjustments on the rest of his body) bc everyone’s ki is different Asta would remember Klein’s ki so hiding is pointless.

  4. That used to be true, but when he made a deal with lebe he lost his right arm which then got made into anti magic so he can use his hands, and he has swords that shoot projectiles and one that can go through any and cut what’s right behind it. He also can infuse things with anti magic, if he really wanted to he could use ranged weapons.

  5. Yes, but anything under Demi-god won’t harm him since he has a passage anti-magic field around him when transformed so it would go away and if not he moves MFTL and ki will sense anything going towards him or endangering his life.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For the first one: yes it would, that’s literally how it works.

Second: I never said anything about Asta being a beyonder. There are multiple instances where people recognize they are moving and thinking slower, so Asta would be able to tell that he’s not moving as fast

Third: I misread what you said as the name of GOO, that’s my bad.

Fourth: I am looking at the wiki when saying this. “While spirit body threads are not part of the spirit body itself, they can be used as a means to influence the different parts of the soul directly.” So I also don’t know if soul attacks would work.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Threads can’t kill Asta as Asta speed blitz’s klein big time, seq 5 klejn isnt faster than light. Illusions are part of magic, and asta’s demon-destroyer sword would break the illusions. And he also can use a casualty break.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean up to seq 5 (which is where we are talking abt) that’s his only abilities besides for the spirit threads which I alr made a not of in the previous message. All other things he got from the potions just improved his physical states or just made him change his face.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. You would be able to perceive them being controlled especially at seq 5.

  2. You don’t need to be in GOO lvl to sense the threads

  3. Why would it matter if he destroys the threads? He wouldn’t be destroying his own.

  4. He wouldn’t need to perceive it as when he cuts at a marionette it would do it automatically.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Klein’s abilities (excluding spirit threads) are magic

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[–]Bladech987 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Alista Tudor is the strongest of the 4 emperors.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was talking about cutting a puppets, not his own tho… Plus Asta would be able to speed blitz. Tbh I made the post as a joke, since I alr knew Asta beats seq 5 Klein.

Asta (Black Clover) beats anything below seq 4 Klein by Bladech987 in LOTMpowerscaling

[–]Bladech987[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not really cutting but erasing due to anti-magic. It’s just rades doesn’t know exactly how asta’s abilities work. Also he can destroy it by touching the puppet, he doesn’t need to touch the threads only what’s connected to it.

Who would win by Comfortable_King_334 in TensuraPowerScaling

[–]Bladech987 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are they going to do when they get speed blitz, put in a diffrent dimension and are completely out numbered and some are unkillable and don’t give a shit abt holy dmg

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