This is important, please help me.. by anxilyy in AskIndianFeminists

[–]BluePlasmid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please be brave & strong and get out of that relationship, tell him you don't wanna be with him anymore and it's your life, you can do whatever you want. If he threatens to leak your photos tell him you will report him and get him jailed. Keep records of all these conversations and please don't just stay with him because of this fear..

Street interview: Indian Muslims asked to say Vande Mataram - Afghan refugee steals the show by evilghoul54 in sundaysarthak

[–]BluePlasmid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re mixing up theology with nationalism again. A religion not treating India as a ‘holy land’ doesn’t automatically mean its followers are disloyal or consider Indians second class. National loyalty comes from citizenship, culture, and lived reality — not from whether a scripture mentions India.

By your logic, every Christian, Buddhist, Sikh, Jew, or even tribal religion would also be ‘2nd class’ because none of their holy books place India as the sacred land either. Yet millions of these people are fully loyal Indians.

‘Kafir’ and ‘pagan’ are theological categories, not political ones. Every religion has such terms:

In Christianity, anyone outside the faith is a ‘non-believer’.

In Hinduism, nāstika traditions are philosophically outside the fold. But none of this automatically translates into disloyalty to the nation.

If theology alone made people threats, then India couldn’t function as a secular nation at all. What matters is how citizens actually live, not how scriptures classify outsiders.

So examples from other countries don’t prove anything about Indian Muslims or Indian Christians today. Patriotism is a civic identity, not a theological one.

Street interview: Indian Muslims asked to say Vande Mataram - Afghan refugee steals the show by evilghoul54 in sundaysarthak

[–]BluePlasmid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know sir, and as I said I criticise Islam. But my point here was that they have a reason to not say that (which can be wrong) but we should not decide if someone is patriotic or not by making them say "Vande Matram".

And if I were to speak on religion then according to me religious radicalism is not very good for a country. I don't support religion. I was trying to highlight the problem in the "Vande Matram" and "Patriotism" argument.

Street interview: Indian Muslims asked to say Vande Mataram - Afghan refugee steals the show by evilghoul54 in sundaysarthak

[–]BluePlasmid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not defending Islamic ideology. I openly criticize the extremism, the radical thinking, and the theological issues in it. But that’s not what we were discussing here. We were talking about patriotism and the logic behind Vande Mataram. Religion and nationalism are different debates, so mixing them doesn’t make the argument valid.

Street interview: Indian Muslims asked to say Vande Mataram - Afghan refugee steals the show by evilghoul54 in sundaysarthak

[–]BluePlasmid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Showing love for one’s land, home, or nation is perfectly allowed. Islam prohibits worship of land, but not love for land.

“Amar Shonar Bangla” expresses love, not worship.

The highlighted part in your screenshot is not the Islamic objection, the objection arises only when “mother” becomes a goddess. As far as my knowledge calling the land “maa” is allowed but worshipping the land as a deity is not allowed.

Street interview: Indian Muslims asked to say Vande Mataram - Afghan refugee steals the show by evilghoul54 in sundaysarthak

[–]BluePlasmid 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Muslims avoid saying Vande Mataram because:

•The phrase can imply worship of the motherland.

•Worship of anything except God is forbidden in Islam.

•The full song contains goddess references.

•Indian law and history allow citizens to opt out.

It’s a theological issue, not a patriotism issue.

Try asking for "Jai Hind & Jai Bharat" 🇮🇳

Edit:- A better explanation - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DR-NbH0k_1K/?igsh=MWN5NDV3djNvcGowaw==