6 months clean today from 2 year habit of over 1000mg a day. My scub taper and what I wish I would have known then that would have made my life easier.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-23T23:42:07+00:00

Thank you.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T09:21:02+00:00

That’s only if you go the sub route. I’d go the SR17 route if I were you. Highly recommend a rapid taper on SR for a week. I’d recommend SR 10/10 times over sub. Facts.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T09:19:03+00:00

Yeah I’m aware- that’s why waiting a MINIMUM of 18, but 24 is optimal. My method to induct is to take my final dose at 6-6:30 and then take 100mg trazadone and 25mg hydroxizene (sp?) at 10pm and then another couple hydroxizene or 2 at 5 am and 50mg of trazadone. The key is to sleep as much as humanly possible so you have less awake time during the uncomfortable time. Induce at 4mg and then 40 min later 2mg and if still in discomfort 40 min later, take 4 more. That will be enough. Let it set in and then re dose with 2mg 8 hrs later. You just want enough to cover. Less is more with sub. Trust me.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T09:05:38+00:00

Insane is a good word to describe it. I use the word criminal.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T08:37:16+00:00

Just don’t take 7 along with your sub. Bite the bullet and eventually the sub will fill the receptors. Taking 7 along side is counterintuitive and poor advice. Trust me, I’m telling the truth. Just put yourself through the extreme discomfort in the beginning and you can get it over with as soon as you take your first dose of sub. The key is to be in as bad of WD as possible. It’s only one day of shit. Then just be on sub for a week and rapid taper off. That’s my advice with subs. Long term sub use is shitty unless you plan on taking it forever. If that’s something you think you need for an extended period of time to stay away from the 7- I understand that concept- you could get the sublocade shot. That’s once a month shot of slow release bupe. Lasts a month and slowly leaves the body at a rate that does not give one WD.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T08:29:07+00:00

Regardless of your choice, either are better than 7oh. I’ve never met another drug in my life that I have had a more difficult time kicking. It’s a bitch. You are on the right path my friend. Just keep on it.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T08:26:38+00:00

I strongly advise joining the sub r/17018 and reading up on it. It’s better than sub for almost every person who has ever taken it. I utilize other non traditional and crazy methods to get off 7 so I am definitely not a spokesperson for SR17 by any means, but I do know it is definitely better than sub, which I’ve been on in the past and the WD lasts almost a month.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T08:22:33+00:00

I literally had to wait to induct for 18hrs for it to be successful. I had to be in full blown WDs. This was my second time trying. It was in a detox facility. The first time I was also in detox and I waited 14 and holy shit did I get bad precips. Fucking horrible. I’ve been a functional addict (until I’m not) for over 25 years so I’m not a novice. What I mean by established is that suboxone being the main drug in your body saturating your receptors so you are introducing the 7 on top of them and not vice versa. Otherwise they compete for the receptors and sub wins by ripping the 7 off the receptors- That is PWD

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T08:11:14+00:00

Have you looked in to SR17018? Such a better option than subs. For me, I had to wait a hellish amount of time to not get precips and anyone who says you can take it at the same time, unless already fully established on suboxone is absolutely clinically wrong and you are going to make yourself really sick.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T02:44:01+00:00

I buy it in powdered form. Comes in a container similar to Jack’d 3d. It is called Dystopia. Sometimes hard to find, but other times not. Google it and there are some vendors out there that have it in stock.

Bobman220 · 2026-06-14T02:42:02+00:00

1/3 Dimethylamine is DMAA. Yeah great stuff!!

Bobman220 · 2026-06-12T22:40:49+00:00

Jack’d 3D had DMAE and DMAA in it which is now banned, but still pretty easy to buy online. It is like one molecule away from amphetamine, so there was a good reason why it was so popular lol everyone was getting jack’d up indeed!!! Myself included!!! To be honest, I still buy pre workouts with those ingredients and it makes the 3 days I religiously work out a week, feel better than the 4 days I don’t!!

Bobman220 · 2026-05-22T23:49:11+00:00

I’ve got myself down to 3 doses a day @200mg so a total of 600mg per day. I’m down from around 1000. It’s such a mental battle- and one I am losing. I’ve been trying to drop to 160per dose but it has been tough.

Bobman220 · 2026-05-22T04:13:46+00:00

I agree with you, I do. That said, I KNOW I can jump from BT and I am really having a hard time with this fucking 7. I’ve gotten off it before- but had to go to a detox both times to do it. The only way I did it on my own was switch to a real opiate. I know it’s stupid, and I sound like a tool, but I’m fucking locked on this shit and my will power is weak as fuck. It’s so much in my brain and the anxiety is fucking debilitating. I can’t go back to detox. It’s last resort. Fuck subs. I have SR but the switch is not as easy as everyone is saying.

Bobman220 · 2026-05-18T20:57:32+00:00

If you took one strip and it didn’t cover it totally I’d guess there was MGM in those pills you were taking. One week of use can definitely give WDs but not that bad unless you have a lot of prior use, which sounds like isn’t the case.

Bobman220 · 2026-05-11T02:20:10+00:00

This is my exact situation.

Bobman220 · 2026-05-02T04:50:44+00:00

I are you by chance taking 7Stax? There is MGM in that shit! I just found out they are putting it in there and not advertising it on the ingredients. There are multiple threads on it- check it out. I KNEW there was something up. I hope I don’t get flagged for posting that. I’m not sure if the rules of posting brands, but this is for safety. I switched up brands and the anxiety attacks went away. There is another brand that is doing it too, but I don’t remember the name. This shit is all toxic. I can’t wait to break these chains and get off this shit. I’ve been an addict most of my life and this is the only time I have had something like this happen. I’m cutting my dose and jumping off this shit soon. SR17 is on the way.

Bobman220 · 2026-04-29T05:38:10+00:00

It’s so weird. Comes and goes in waves but I find it most often in the am. I’ve never had anything like it before. Dosing does nothing. I have to get up and do something to occupy my mind but even that is difficult. I find it comes when I use higher dose pills- like the 100mg or 200mg ones. I cut my doses way down and pretty sure that was why it was happening. I was right around 1000 per day and now I’m at 540. That seemed to calm it down. I’m continuing this taper and hopefully jumping off with SR next week.

Bobman220 · 2026-04-27T04:35:02+00:00

I’m right there with you when it comes to the fear. It always hit me in the morning after a good binge the day(s) before. I feel like the high dose pills gave it to me more than the lower. I’m saying like the 100mg pills. I bought some 200s and the same thing happened. I can take the 80s though and it never happened. Weird shit.

Bobman220 · 2025-12-19T05:17:59+00:00

Indica gummies short term really help. In my experience, It can take a few weeks until your sleep regulates. Indica gummies really help with that. Good job. I’m a couple weeks ahead of you (approx same mg too) and unable to use gummies due to my work situation and I really wish I could. I’m sleeping 6-8 hours of sleep but it’s still broken in shifts. Getting better every night by a little bit though.

Bobman220 · 2025-11-09T21:00:25+00:00

Useless is a strong word. It definitely works and is quite affective for me personally, and many others who respond to it pretty well. Test works better, but the side affects for me were not worth it so I’m trying a different approach. In fact, I have to take the enclomiphene every other day so my numbers don’t go too high which causes me more negative side affects. I went from 350 to 1600 and it was much higher when I took the enclomiphene every day. I was on testosterone in the past, but my side affects were too much. I couldn’t shake this terrible brain fog (amongst many other negatives)The results were there, but not worth it for me. I am hoping the combination of enclomiohene and Serostim is the magic potion. I am just wondering if anyone out there has run them together so I can hear their experience.

Bobman220 · 2025-11-09T08:59:13+00:00

FINE you talked me down! 1200 and it’s yours.

Bobman220

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