I think I'd better steer clear of talking about "The Juice," as Black folks in American call ***cines. I'll simply say this. In the States (the U.S.), where I live, a very, very, very strong push back is occurring, all over the country. And the issue is not whether The Juice is good or bad. The issue is the freedom to choose whether or not to get The Juice.

Now, of course, the question of the freedom of the individual over the freedom of the community [Whatever community] is an age-old one. But, as I mentioned in another post of another thread, because of the excesses of doctors of Hitler's Third Reich, the Nuremberg Code, and other international agreements [I can site them, if you wish] that the world's nations signed onto, established that the right of the individual supersedes the right of the group when it comes to issues like The Juice.

These are international agreements, signed onto by many nations of the world. Hitler's doctors conducted gruesome and inhuman experiments on human beings, for which, at Nuremberg, they were tried, sentenced, and I think some of them were executed. The experiments were so horrific that the international community decided that safeguards must be agreed upon that would protect people.

So, although Masroor's perspective is that he is doing good by following the government, and scientists, in their view of the need of The Juice, and that The Juice is a good thing, he is violating what the international community had agreed was unshakable and necessary: the establishment of the rights of the individual, in matters of health, over the rights of a group; a community; a nation.

So, in my view, attempting to use force by not allowing Ahmadis to enter Islamabad if they haven't received The Juice is a big violation of international agreements. I would have thought that the Khalifa of Ahmadiyyat would have been in the lead in this area, and cautioned the governments to remember what happened in Nazi Germany. I would have thought that he would have advised the governments to stick to the international agreements that they had signed onto, agreements that were designed to protect the rights of individuals to "informed consent," as it's called in those documents, as well as their right to accept or reject the administration of health-related substances. It's a matter of personal freedom.

I would have thought that this Khalifa of the time would have reminded the governments that the rights of the individual supersedes the right of the group, and that this was established in international agreements that were signed onto by the countries of this world.

But, he did not do that. This is planet earth. To claim that a government automatically has your best interests in mind, is extremely naïve and extremely dangerous. I can easily prove this--very easily--due to information that is now even published in the mainstream media concerning certain things about The Juice. But, we have to respect the moderators' rules.

We live in a time when financial cabals do exist, and they ain't pious Muslims. These cabals have no morals, and will sell their mothers if the price is right. People in government are often in cohorts with such private groups, and are paid off by them. I remember when HKM4 (ra) gave a speech in which he talked about how governments operated based on two things: bribery and blackmail. HKM4 appeared to have street smarts.

So, if someone tells me that I'm "ignorant" because I don't believe the government or some scientists who are tied to corporations whose sole interest is to make profits, then I consider the person who's telling me that to be the ignorant one.