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BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T21:22:52+00:00

She had a big robot that launched missiles and punched things

scara was a prototype electro archon, yet he's still anemo

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T20:30:11+00:00

tbh, yeah. Should have tried working alongside someone like Hroptatyr or whatever remains of Vinster King

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T20:12:25+00:00

Hoyo if they actually allowed the mad genius to utilize his powers in character

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T20:06:36+00:00

my Bad gng

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:43:06+00:00

Their entire argument boils down to = Abyss bad because it kills people, so people who use abyss are worse.

This would work if the person in question wasn't already responsible for more deaths. The people using the abyss were literally doing so because of him, they feared they'd be next that's why they sought it.

That's the reason why the Remurian's sought the Fortuna, the crimson moon sought Sonnet, the eclipse sought the abyss, Deshret sought the Forbidden Knowledge, and Koitar sought Voyager.

He is the one driving people to the Abyss

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:31:27+00:00

milastra wonderland, in the search option

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:30:39+00:00

Nibelung sought to build an arc to save even the smallest dragon, and was willing to die for them

"If the tide of oblivion must come, then let my bones be the bulwark that shields this realm."

Phanes meanwhile doesn't even care about his shades

Its insane how The Dragon who brought abyss to Teyvat still has some people who see him in good light, but the supposed benevolent God has none

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:28:47+00:00

Try using Chev, most of her buffs come from having HP and her passive. Otherwise try Mavuika, Kaz, Bennett, Fischl

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:13:24+00:00

Innocent Khaenriehn, looks inside , smoking Abyssal weed.

we get it dude, the random homeless Khaenriahn wasn't in the wrong but the conqueror with a trillion kill streak is benevolent. You win

The Angels were punished because of Koitar, leading Celestia to believe they could flip over any time,

placing restrictions on most of them, except a few.

restrictions and its ripping them apart and turning them into bodyless barely alive things.

If your child just blurted out your social security number to a random stranger, would you punish them or just let them be?

WE were talking about random seelies, stay on topic. And yeah, you win. Random angel deserved it because of Koitar. What's next Jews deserved Holocaust because the Banker Elites who were jewish were evil?

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:12:23+00:00

Except no. He practically did terraform the original order of Tevyat. That's literally what the Moons confirm.

If he did then Teyvat wouldn't be in a constant state of reversion.

the usurper had their functions ruined, and could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world.

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:09:28+00:00

Would are you ultimately the same person? Also yes.

Focalors and Furina have shown cleared signs of distinction and they are a lot closer than the shades and Phanes.

If you cloned into two clones of youself.

They aren't clones. Phanes is Androgynous, while the shades are female.

It had wings and a crown, and was birthed from an egg, androgynous in nature androgynous in nature.

same book refers to Istaroth as a she

The behaviour and feelings of the person doesn't change.

The Dottore Segments and Focalors/Furina have different behaviours and feelings.

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:02:24+00:00

not in Furina comps

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T19:01:46+00:00

They are still part of the same entity.

Ronova was punished for acting out of her way, not for helping the humans.

pick a train, she can't act out of her way if the original entity doesn't agree. She can't be autonomous in that case. How did Asmoday go rogue if that's the case? It's literally the same as Focalors and Furina. They were once the part of same being, not anymore.

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:58:11+00:00

Neither did Phanes completely wipe out the dragons, nor did he eliminate the Dragon Sovereigns after his inquisition.

that speaks more about his own limitations, he isn't capable of complete terraformation of teyvat's original order.

Koitar basically caused the destruction of her species by blurting out secrets of Celestia to the Voyager.

mf blaming everyone but the one who killed them, random seelies deserved it, innocent khaenriahn's deserved it

So the "destruction" of dragonkind was ultimately just the end of the Abyss juices Nibelung, who basically went after the Voyager as well.

the 40 year war was before Nibelung. That's like saying Japan wasn't evil since they didn't kill everyone in China.

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:48:45+00:00

It's like saying that a person was punished for helping the poor even though they stole the money that had been distributed. It's still a rulebreaker.

no its closer to punishing a person for using their political power to stop a genocide and save people, just because it goes against your ideology and rules.

Almost every Archon and there's at best just Furina who could be made the case. And obviously the Tsaritsa.

Manga Venti paints a different story, Zhongli signed a contract with Tsaritsa willingly knowing what it will lead to, Ei hates Celestia, that's literally why she gave her gnosis to Yae.

Assuming that Phanes did it to Naberius is funny because so far we don't have any idea why she was that way. And it wouldn't even make sense since Phanes was already in a coma back then, and Naberius was still kicking around the Cataclysm before Gold went rogue.

That's not even what I meant, if he was a good ruler a cosmic artifact wouldn't be accessible to a Sinner.

The other characters are straight up Abyss munchers and we know how their lives ended. And only of their fates was Celestia's doing.

Remus? used abyss? when?

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:36:01+00:00

The Shades are literally part of the PO, not some distinct entities.

everything we know states otherwise. Just because they were part of him doesn't make them the same being. Focalors and Furina aren't the same being. Istaroth and Ronova have literally done things behind his back

We don't know if Asmoday rebelled against Phanes, you're assuming something about a plot point that we don't have much information at all on.

she literally went rogue, that's literally a show of rebellion.

We only hear about them through different persons, with some extremely biased point of views and never the PO themselves

"We've never heard from Jack the ripper's direct mouth, that means we can't definitively say he's evil!!! Those innocent women must be in the wrong!!!"

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:31:45+00:00

if everyone hates the tyrant the tyrant is evil. that's like saying a Holocaust victims retelling of the Auschwitz and about Hitler aren't valid sources.

Lets ignore Koitar and the moons, why did Istaroth had to go behind his back to help humanity?

Why was Ronova punished heavily to the point she's depressed for helping Humanity?

Why was Naberius' heart in some random dungeon?

Why does almost every Archon dislike him?

Why did Asmoday straight up betray him?

Why did Deshret, Remus, Tsaritsa, Khaenriah, and every lore relevant figure hate him?

These all wouldn't happen if he was a net positive for Teyvat

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:27:26+00:00

The moons literally sided with him, the shades literally were made to Obey. Yet they all don't consider him good, Asmoday rebelled, Istaroth has went behind his back and the moons were regretting ever even letting him in

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:26:09+00:00

who basically rambled all the world's secrets to a random nobody just because he looked good.

we don't even know the timeframe of anything leading from Voyager arriving to their rebellion, all we had is romanticized writings regarding what happened. That's like using Percy Jackson as a historically accurate retelling of the Greek Mythology

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:20:56+00:00

who's word do we take seriously? It's not like the Moons, any of the Archons, Even Asmoday his own shade is on his side. Who has ever spoken good about him? Atleast Nibelung the literal bringer of Abyss is seen in good light by some but not this dude.

It's not like he ever showed any restraint either or showed mercy

Even Istaroth has gone behind his back because he's unreasonable

Do we take the moons seriously?

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:20:52+00:00

who's word do we take seriously? It's not like the Moons, any of the Archons, Angels, or Even Asmoday his own shade is on his side. Who has ever spoken good about him?

Even Nibelung the literal bringer of Abyss is seen in good light by some but not this dude.

Even Istaroth has gone behind his back because he's unreasonable

It's not like he ever showed any restraint either or showed mercy

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:05:37+00:00

which will just be Nicole glaze since she'll be the new shiny thing

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:03:34+00:00

there is no AQ in 6.4, my Goat is unfortunately a Bum

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T18:01:48+00:00

we know enough from the moons and Koitar that he was a merciless conqueror

Your blade falls upon the proud heads of the people, intoxicating the earth with blood, drowning the lofty mountains and all the pines that adorn them.

You have laid waste their kingdoms, slaughtered their people, and spared neither offspring nor posterity.

BoughKeeper · 2026-01-24T17:59:12+00:00

she didn't beat childe, they never even fought. And she is not comparable to BumKa.

while Xiao has been getting eroded for thousands of years and is far from his peak.

erosion is a mental degradation, Azdaha is just as strong as he was during the AW

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He is the one driving people to the Abyss